Hopefully most here know that the 'face milling' stories about PGA players' drivers are basically bogus.... That's not to say that any player may or may not have a driver in play that exceeds the COR limit because of production tolerances or something else, but grinding the face will only ruin the driver almost every time.
These guys are no different than the players from years ago that would find that one special persimmon driver, then sleep with it to make sure no one else got their paws on it. Almost none of them would subject their #1 driver to a process that could reduce it to use only as a paperweight. Especially Tiger, who is about the most anal with respect to his equipment. They claim he can accurately identify the current crop of hot faced drivers vs older models (without looking at them) by listening to the sound they make as he rubs the sole on the grass. Pat K > > From: "Bernie Baymiller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: 2003/08/06 Wed AM 09:44:36 EDT > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: ShopTalk: Stirring the pot.... > > Took out the bulge? No wonder the guy is always in the trees. Mishit off > center just a bit with his swing speed and I can imagine there would be big > time gear effect. The proper bulge is designed to correct for gear > effect...assuming the head had the correct amount on it in the first place. > > Bernie > Writeto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "bob boone" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2003 10:04 PM > Subject: RE: ShopTalk: Stirring the pot.... > > > > A couple of years ago there was an article in one of the Golf publications > > that said that Titleist has milled the face of Tigers driver to remove > bulge > > and roll to get the proper spin and other things Tiger wanted. At the time > I > > wondered about that since taking an existing driver and removing bulge and > > roll would thin out the face resulting in more COR most likely!! Wonder if > > it was submitted for testing!!! > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Behalf Of The Kelley's > > Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2003 6:28 PM > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: RE: ShopTalk: Stirring the pot.... > > > > Tiger's driver (now) AFAIK is an 8.5 deg. Titleist 975D with a 43.25" > DGX100 > > that's been tipped a significant amount. It looks like the first step is > > about 4" from the top of the hosel. He was trying a lot of different > > configs with the Nike, including up to a 44" shaft. As an aside, he > flirted > > with graphite at one point last season, playing a fuji Pro95 for a few > > events. > > > > Pat K > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Steve "Cub" Culbreth > > Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2003 6:28 PM > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: Re: ShopTalk: Stirring the pot.... > > > > > > Pat, > > > > I also understand that his Titleist is shorter (43") than the Nike (?"). > > > > Cub > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2003 4:17 AM > > Subject: ShopTalk: Stirring the pot.... > > > > > > > A little tidbit.... > > > > > > All who follow the PGA Tour will know that Tiger was whining about > drivers > > that exceed the legal COR limit being used. I figured I'd tap into the > > folks I know to see what specific drivers are at issue, and found that the > > TM prototype 510 deep face driver is the suspected 'hot' driver. (As an > > aside, TM recently released this driver to the public as the '510 Tour > > Preferred' with an Edwin Watts price tag of $599 with a factory fuji 757 > > Speeder.) > > > > > > The driver is 390cc with a very deep face. I obtained a 9.5 degree > model > > from the Van with a Harmon Tour GXX shaft. They said that the 'identical' > > head is now in stores (510 TP), no internal difference except the TP > graphic > > on it. I visually compared it to the retail 510 TP and it's the same > > visually, and the Edwin Watts cheapo swing speed/ballspeed device data > > indicates that the 2 clubs (van and retail) perform very close to > identical > > (757 vs Harmon notwithstanding) with respect to launch angle and smash > > factor. Both of these clubs have the USGA's blessing as legal, and based > on > > the face design I'll offer that any grinding/milling on the face would > only > > result on a paperweight for a clubhead rather than a longer driver. > > > > > > On the course, I understand what Tiger was whining about - this club > flat > > out is over the top. I was using a TM 300 prototype that's 360cc. > Although > > both clubs are basically identical on perfect impact shots (both on course > > and on measured smash factor data), the 510 produces MUCH straighter and > > longer drives on less than perfect impact. Certainly this is somewhat due > > to the larger size. > > > > > > Using the 750 yd bushnell yardage pro, we measured drives based on > either > > yardage pro measured distance from tee to flag (when possible) or > scorecard > > yardage. I hit the driver 9 times on a very level, slightly wet, costal > > South Carolina course. The longest was 343 yds, shortest 298, average > 316. > > I missed 1 fairway by ~5yds where I didn't cut a corner enough (did I > > mention that this thing is LONG?). > > > > > > Interesting that Tiger went back to a driver that has less COR than the > > Nike he was playing. It's also funny that the media has re-earthed the > > Tiger/Phil Mick. comments regarding Nike's technology. Tiger goes back to > > an old-school, lower COR driver that he feels he controls better, and the > > 'intelligent' media says Nike's technology with higher COR is behind the > > times. > > > > > > From what I've played, I can't understand why anyone playing for their > > dinner isn't hitting this TM. > > > > > > FWIW ($599 at your local Edwin :-0 ) > > > > > > Pat K > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
