Il giorno dom, 29/08/2010 alle 11.00 +0200, Klaus 'mrmoku' Kurzmann ha
scritto:
> Am Samstag, 28. August 2010, 16:18:01 schrieb Davide Scaini:
> > First: thanks for your reply :)
> > 
> > Il giorno sab, 28/08/2010 alle 14.13 +0200, Klaus 'mrmoku' Kurzmann ha
> > 
> > scritto:
> > > Am Freitag, 27. August 2010, 21:52:48 schrieb Davide Scaini:
> > > > Not a flame, just my opinion over last changes
> > > > (improvements/regressions). If you think that my opinions are too
> > > > strong I'm sorry. I appreciate the work of everyone in OSS but I think
> > > > that it's necessary to discuss and share opinions to find and develop
> > > > the best ideas.
> > > > 
> > > > -(guess) kernel related things:
> > > >  -- no shutdown pressing button for 7-8 seconds (as it was before); i
> > > >  think
> > > > 
> > > > it's necessary because somethimes freezes.
> > > > 
> > > >  -- faster than ever! just incredible! bootup and graphics are really
> > > > 
> > > > faster. Graphis it's still unstable... some glitches after resuming
> > > > from suspend.
> > > > 
> > > > -illume2 sucks! sorry...
> > > > not only aesthetically (no great differences from 1, but this wasn't
> > > > what i expected/needed)
> > > > 
> > > > i'm talking about user experience:
> > > >  -- switching between apps -> two touchs against one (in illume1), that
> > > >  to
> > > > 
> > > > me means two times slower than before
> > > > 
> > > >  -- switching between apps -> no more apps list ... this is absolutely
> > > > 
> > > > useful
> > > > 
> > > >  -- no more shelf gadgets like wifi/bluetooth indicators... so I have
> > > >  no
> > > > 
> > > > idea when I'm connected via wifi or not... this is just crazy. (it
> > > > would be great to switch on/off directly from shelf)
> > > > 
> > > > I can't understand why there is no more possibility to select illume1
> > > > on shr (but i'm sure there's a valid reason since I blindly trust shr
> > > > people)
> > > 
> > > This is due to the fact that you can't *build* both in the same tree...
> > > and old illume1 is abbandoned for more than a year I think.
> > 
> > but afair even the next to last release there were the choice between
> > shr-illume1 and shr-illume2 at first boot, now it's missing.
> It *was* possible to build both. And that changed - and that's why we're left 
> with one of them now.
> 
> > I know that the code is not developed anymore because Rasterman decided
> > to revrite all illume code giving birth to illume2... and it's about a
> > year taht illume2 is kind of birth but not growth.
> > From the brilliant Raster I expected:
> > - as he said a complete rewrite of the code... ok, personally I
> > - great innovation in interface, some new concept...
> > - awsomeness everywhere ;) (he said he had a great project with a great
> > company...)
> No idea, if it was raster's decision to do that... But for sure I know that 
> it's not raster himself doing the rewrite. The 'trick' about illume2 is that 
> every part is modular and can be exchanged. Just needs someone to step up and 
> write what we want... volunteers? ;)
> 

I have no idea about how efl works but, if not completely alone, I would
like to learn something. If there is someone with some experience that
can teach me -and hopefully to some other guy- where and how to start
(find manuals, examples, setting up a buildhost... that means how to
join shr people in this effeort) I would be honoured to help.
d

> 
> > 
> > > So either we put some effort into illume2 to fix the annoying issues or
> > > we put some effort into some alternative (which you probably prefer ;).
> > 
> > personally I think that hackable:1 stuff is great. It works. It has a
> > nice pim management... but unfortunately is not as comfortable as shr
> > is... maybe the integration of fso in rev6 will give the right spin to
> > the project and distro. (just speculation, i prefere to talk about
> > usability)
> > 
> > > And yes, I have to agree that I'm far from being satisfied with it either
> > > :/
> > > 
> > > > Hope this helps to discuss and improve our experience :)
> > > > (and I hope to be helpful)
> > > > d
> > 
> > I stress the fact that I want to help in some way...
> > d
> 
> 

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