On 06/06/11 14:54, Randy Bush wrote:
>> So I've been thinking a little about this. First, I do not
>> know of any practical md5 preimage attacks so far, however,
>> if we allow tcp-md5 in this spec, we're effectively betting
>> that that will remain the case for a few years at least and
>> that's not a bet with which I'd be happy when we do have
>> stronger options that are already specified.
> 
> let me try again.
> 
> while i agree with you philosophically, packets do not move very well on
> 'specified.'  

That's a fair point and is why I said the 2nd point is more
important. The 2nd point being that it looks to me like
tcp-md5 is just broken for this use case. If I'm wrong there
I'll happily admit that.

> and unless someone throws a lot of cash at it, AO looks as
> if is likely not to be available for a long on the set of platforms
> operators use for services, *BSD, Linux, and Solaris.

I do understand that that's a problem.

I don't however understand fully why SSH is being ruled out.
All I saw on the list were a couple of mails saying that you
can't use epoll which I'd have thought was a bit of a bummer
but not a showstopper. But maybe picking SSH has more issues
than that?

That's why I suggested "MUST implement SSH; SHOULD implement
TCP-AO; MUST prefer TCP-AO if both available"

S.


> 
> randy
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