On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 5:04 PM, Eric Osterweil <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> On Mar 21, 2012, at 4:57 PM, Christopher Morrow wrote:
>
>> On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 3:19 PM, Eric Osterweil <[email protected]> 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> How about we turn this around with a simple question:
>>> Suppose two different feasible paths are being evaluated for a single 
>>> prefix/origin pair and one was delivered via a signed bgpsec update, and 
>>> the other was delivered via an unsigned update.  What 
>>> annotations/influencers/considerations/etc. does the bgpsec design suggest 
>>> when the router is making its path selection between these two?
>>>
>>
>> ideall, I think, the process is something like:
>>  1) first path gets evaluated, is it 'good' (next-hop reachable, not
>> discarded by prefix-list/etc)
>>  2) second path gets evaluated, is it 'good' (same as above +
>> origin-validate + path-validation)
>>
>> If both 1 and 2 come out 'ok', assume each path was received from a
>> different peer on the same device:
>>  1) 1 - 2 - 701 - you
>>  2) 1 - 3 - 7018 - you
>>
>> If you decide that your network's policy is 'prefer signed and valid
>> over unsigned' paths, you'd pick #2. It could be that your method of
>> doing this is saying:
>>  route-map inbound-bgp permit 10
>>    if route-signed and verified
>>    set localpref 100
>>
>> Which ideally would let localpref on the #1 route stay normal == 80
>> and magically you'd just use the 'right' (from your perspective) path.
>> (signed and verified).
>>
>> of course, in the beginning of this you may choose a more conservative:
>>   route-map inbound-bgp permit 10
>>      if route-signed and verified
>>        set community you:verified
>>
>> so you could measure the deployment state of your customers + 
>> rest-o-interwebs.
>>
>> In the end, I think 'bgpsec suggests' that the operator would make
>> some decision... ideally the same decision across the network.
>>
>> does that make sense? (the policy is deliberately short and simple,
>> obviously real policy is longer/stranger, but the end result is the
>> same)
>
> Indeed, this makes sense, thanks for the detailed response.  However, this 
> also illustrates an evolution of semantics under non-attack circumstances. :)

expand please.
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