On Sep 21, 2012, at 7:27 PM, Murphy, Sandra wrote:

> er.  The three documents have been in the working group for the same length 
> of time, so you'd think that they, being so tied, would have had equal 
> attention and be equally mature.

Sandy - The very fact that "The three documents have been in the working group 
for the same length of time" is PRECISELY why I have this concern.  

Until we've agreed upon requirements we intend to design for I don't know what 
problems we profess to be solving in a proposed protocol and therefore I am not 
capable of assessing if a protocol is meeting said requirements - the point of 
transparency here is so that others [who didn't bring these documents into the 
WG as a set] can have a fair say about their content before we progress.  

Further, if there wasn't such an apparent disconnect at the earlier stages of 
the process (e.g., what problems we are solving for), or IF we were designing 
these things in an IRTF group as EXPERIMENTAL and not as IETF Standards Track 
documents, I might be afforded the opportunity to care less.

-danny

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