On Wed, Nov 7, 2012 at 6:17 PM, Shane Amante <[email protected]> wrote:
> I can't, nor do I believe can anyone else.  I refer you to the following:

i don't know what your first sentence means.

> http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-sidr-bgpsec-threats-03#section-5
> ---snip---
>    o  "Route leaks" are viewed as a routing security problem by many
>       operators, even though there is no IETF-codified definition of a
>       route leak.  BGP itself does not include semantics that preclude
>       what many perceive as route leaks.  Moreover, route leaks are
>       outside the scope of PATHSEC, at this time, based on the SIDR
>       charter.  Thus route leaks are not addressed in this threat model.
> ---snip---
>

admittedly I'd have probably said in parts:
"'Route leaks" are viewed as a routing security problem..."
   with a reference to the draft in the GROW-WG that talks about how
route leaks are a problem to be resolved.


> First, the threats document says "there is no IETF-codified definition of a 
> route leak",
> even though there exists the following:
> <http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-foo-sidr-simple-leak-attack-bgpsec-no-help-02>
>  and,
> apparently, based on other messages /no where in the IETF to even discuss it/!

I think the 'codified definition' Stephen's looking for is an rfc... I
could be wrong though.
I also think there are several messages that tell you where you could
talk about route leaks. (in the ietf I mean).

>  Second, there is this sentence: "BGP itself ***does not include semantics*** 
> that
> preclude what many perceive as route leaks." ... That statement reads to me as
> stating that _because_ BGP does include semantics to solve for route-leaks, 
> it's
> out-of-scope for PATHSEC.

read the sentence again, I think you misread it.
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