Owen/Dean, At no point did I say that Randy Bush had not made contributions, nor does not continue to do so in other ways.
I did however say that he was a negative person and had a sour demeanour and had an arrogance towards the community. This doesn't mean he hasn't contributed - he just does it in a very unpleasant way. And anyone who thinks the mechanism in which Randy engages this community is acceptable, clearly has no respect for the community or those who give their time to it. Supporting an abusive, sarcastic and disrespectful means of engagement is saying it is acceptable, and it is not. Ever. ...Skeeve *Skeeve Stevens - Senior IP Broker* *v4Now - *an eintellego Networks service ske...@v4now.com ; www.v4now.com Phone: 1300 239 038; Cell +61 (0)414 753 383 ; skype://skeeve facebook.com/v4now ; <http://twitter.com/networkceoau> linkedin.com/in/skeeve twitter.com/theispguy ; blog: www.theispguy.com IP Address Brokering - Introducing sellers and buyers On 21 September 2014 06:34, Owen DeLong <o...@delong.com> wrote: > Skeeve. > > First: +1 to what you have said below, except. > > In the past (rapidly becoming the distant past), Randy provided a lot of > service to this and several other internet communities. He was a talented > engineer and helped to solve many problems. There was a time when his > commitment to the community matched his arrogance, pessimism, and > hostility. Sadly, it seems that all that is left is the arrogance, > pessimism, and hostility. > > I was never Randy's greatest fan and he was certainly never mine. However, > I do think it is important to recognize the contributions he has made, in > spite of his best efforts to obscure them behind his current behavior. > > Owen > > On Sep 20, 2014, at 04:20 , Masato Yamanishi <myama...@japan-telecom.com> > wrote: > > Dear Andy and SIG members, > > I'm very sorry to hear your resignation, but I would like to express our > appreciation for your service, in particular for last 3 years as Policy SIG > Chair and NRO NC, on behalf of the community. > > SIG members> > Please join me in thanking Andy for his great chairmanship and excellent > cooperation work. > > Masato Yamanishi > Policy SIG co-chair > > Sep 19, 2014 10:18 PM、Andy Linton <a...@lpnz.org> のメッセージ: > > I've decided to stand down as chair of the APNIC Policy SIG. I'm doing > this for a number of reasons which I'll go into in this mail. I was not > able to attend APNIC38 as I am currently in the UK but to be honest even if > I'd been in New Zealand I'm not sure that I would have made the trip to > Brisbane. > > Several meetings ago Randy Bush put a proposal in front of the Policy SIG > suggesting that the time had come to abandon the making of policy in the > current form. I chaired the session that discussed this matter. We had a > session which ended in confusion and acrimony and the debate ended at that > point. > > I will say that while Randy and I disagreed over the mechanism of how to > disband/radically change the current process, I am in full support of the > core idea proposed in prop-103. I believe the current process is failing > the community and it should be wound up and replaced with some other > mechanism. > > At APNIC38, my colleague Masato Yamanashi was returned unopposed as > co-chair and I am confident that he will handle the role of Chair until the > meeting in Fukuoka next February where the community can decide if they > want to continue with the current mechanism or not. My resignation now will > give plenty of time for any debate on this. > > I believe that we are now at the stage where we are having a face to face > meeting of the Policy SIG mainly to validate the legitimacy of having a > meeting of APNIC every six months. There's little of substance that > couldn't be discussed on line and there are very few people taking part in > debate on address policy because there is really very little to discuss. > > I believe that APNIC's job is and should continue to be a registry with a > lightweight structure. I believe APNIC has changed into a quasi political > body that spends vast amounts of time and money travelling to Internet > Governance meetings where they meet other similar entities and they all > tell each other what a fabulous job they're doing of governing the > Internet. > > You may agree with them doing that - that's fine. I don't and I think it's > time for me to step aside and let them get on with it. You could say I > should stay and help to try to fix things but I simply don't have the time > or enthusiasm. > > I can do no better that quote from a paper from Milton Mueller: > Stewardship and the Management of Internet Protocol Addresses ( > www.internetgovernance.org/pdf/CyberDialogue2012_Mueller.pdf). I don't > agree with everything Mueller says but this encapsulates the problem very > well: > > "But here we face the exact same problem as before: all reforms in IP > address governance structure must come from the RIRs themselves. The ASO of > ICANN is nothing more than the NRO, and the NRO is nothing more than a > combination of the staff and CEOs of the RIRs. And why would the RIRs > initiate or institute reforms that would put themselves out of business? > The RIRs have many merits as organizations, but they are also quite > entrenched, with tens of millions of dollars in annual revenues, a growing > number of jobs, and an important place for their managers in the overall > Internet governance regime. If this structure is to be dramatically > changed, the impetus will not and cannot come from the RIRs themselves." > > I'd like to thank all those in the community who I've worked with over the > years. I count very many of you as friends and I'm sure we'll catch up > sometime in the future. > > andy > > * sig-policy: APNIC SIG on resource management policy > * > _______________________________________________ > sig-policy mailing list > sig-policy@lists.apnic.net > http://mailman.apnic.net/mailman/listinfo/sig-policy > > * sig-policy: APNIC SIG on resource management policy > * > _______________________________________________ > sig-policy mailing list > sig-policy@lists.apnic.net > http://mailman.apnic.net/mailman/listinfo/sig-policy > > > > * sig-policy: APNIC SIG on resource management policy > * > _______________________________________________ > sig-policy mailing list > sig-policy@lists.apnic.net > http://mailman.apnic.net/mailman/listinfo/sig-policy > >
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