‚ÄčI support prop-1118.







Best Regards,













Ernest Tse












On Thu, 10/08/2017 03.17, Mike Burns <m...@iptrading.com> wrote:
> 
I support prop-118, but note that contrary to the proposal text, Lacnic has
> allowed intra-regional transfers since March 14, 2016.
> 
> Regards,
> Mike Burns
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sig-policy-boun...@lists.apnic.net
> [sig-policy-boun...@lists.apnic.net] On Behalf Of chku
> Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2017 2:14 AM
> To: sig-policy <sig-pol...@apnic.net>
> Subject: [sig-policy] [Sig-policy] prop-118: No need policy in APNIC region,
> to be dis cussed at APNIC 44 Policy SIG
> 
> Dear SIG members
> 
> The proposal "prop-118: No need policy in APNIC region" was discussed at
> APNIC 43 Policy SIG, but did not reach consensus.
> 
> It will be presented at the Open Policy Meeting at APNIC 44 which will be
> held in Taichung, Taiwan on Wednesday and Thursday, 14 & 15 September 2017.
> 
> Information about the proposal is available from:
> 
>     
> https://u5763498.ct.sendgrid.net/wf/click?upn=xF2otKml8FKK0iLyO1O8huUrPPtUbHhO65cb-2BIfOx1yQjk8JFqaVBIhGSNZmoA60U12-2BFRY8sOsUAtEqjBQpgg-3D-3D_UAkvnIPiyHBK93gJxXZbN-2FFqWUVGpvc0TKjBg0wTWpUcdMbqpjzCZWqOZ54xVfRdu-2BDKIREJQHfNvzlKUnHEnbcpXiAz1Z78qVcyYnRjp-2BK9LZDemT-2BQErpYrTsmBEdyqearem30WuE3uCT4GWbnc4n20dxae-2Fb1wO-2FxpaTmv8py3W4eoQ8KjXxUGBar-2B-2B-2FFpMVUycudEnJ22EEpW3ADxQ-3D-3D
> 
> You are encouraged to express your views on the proposal:
> 
>  - Do you support or oppose the proposal?
>  - Do you see any disadvantages in this proposal?
>  - Is there anything in the proposal that is not clear?
>  - What changes could be made to this proposal to make it more effective?
> 
> Please find the text of the proposal below.
> 
> Kind Regards,
> 
> Sumon, Bertrand, Ching-Heng
> APNIC Policy SIG Chairs
> 
> 
> -------------------------------------------------------
> 
> prop-118-v001: No need policy in APNIC region
> 
> -------------------------------------------------------
> 
> Proposer:       David Hilario
>                 d.hila...@laruscloudservice.net
> 
> 
> 1. Problem statement
> -------------------------------------------------------
> 
> Whenever a transfer of IPv4 is taking place within the APNIC region, the
> recipient needs to demonstrate the "need" for the IPv4 space they intend to
> transfer.
> 
> Companies transferring IPv4 space to their pool do this in ordcer to enable
> further growth in their network, since the space is not coming from the free
> public pool, regular policies that are intended to protect the limited pool
> of IPv4 space can be removed in transfers.
> 
> 
> 2. Objective of policy change
> -------------------------------------------------------
> 
> Simplify transfer of IPv4 space between resource holders.
> Ease some administration on APNIC staff.
> 
> 
> 3. Situation in other regions
> -------------------------------------------------------
> 
> RIPE region has an all around no need policy in IPv4, even for first
> allocation, transfers do not require the recipient to demonstrate their
> intended use of the resources .
> 
> ARIN, need base for both transfers and resources issued by ARIN.
> 
> AFRINIC, need based policy on transfers (not active yet) and resource
> request from AFRINIC based on needs.
> 
> LACNIC, no transfers, need based request.
> 
> Out of all these RIR, only ARIN and RIPE NCC have inter-RIR transfer
> policies,  ARIN has made clear in the past that the "no need" policy from
> the RIPE region would break inter-RIR transfers from ARIN to RIPE region.
> 
> 
> 4. Proposed policy solution
> -------------------------------------------------------
> 
> Simply copy the RIPE policy to solve the ARIN transfer incompatibility:
> 
>  - APNIC shall accept all transfers of Internet number resources to its
>    service region, provided that they comply with the policies relating
>    to transfers within its service region.
> 
>  - For transfers from RIR regions that require the receiving region to
>    have needs-based policies, recipients must provide a plan to the
>    APNIC for the use of at least 50% of the transferred resources within
>    5 years.
> 
> source:
>     
> https://u5763498.ct.sendgrid.net/wf/click?upn=16bEysF9x2jUX1XY2ZMKUrALMsHil-2BpVmNTNd6yDOuFusAIW7wV7s3bVF4S4QfQhmE-2FurmywiubVNS9Y1KHJMw-3D-3D_UAkvnIPiyHBK93gJxXZbN-2FFqWUVGpvc0TKjBg0wTWpUcdMbqpjzCZWqOZ54xVfRdHe-2FGWYzZflHk0NQ6fbIU32C4y0tJXQIYB2cnDtp6BnA67qinJnWeNiKf9St7-2Fz3g1IEkByuqbqnrupxsTXhGOFfsQSRb1KHWLJZAw5rNYuS5YXvrzrpKzi77zdzSHw6Dk4rLR4GZBseTy9iNgkuPFg-3D-3D
> 
> 
> 5. Advantages / Disadvantages
> -------------------------------------------------------
> 
> Advantages:
> 
>  - Harmonisation with RIPE region.
>  - Makes transfer simpler and smoother within APNIC and between APNIC
>    and RIPE.
>  - maintains a compatibility with ARIN.
>  - Removes the uncertainty that a transfer may be rejected based on
>    potentially badly documented needs.
>  - Lowers the overall administrative burden on APNIC staff.
> 
> Disadvantages:
> 
> none.
> 
> 
> 6. Impact on resource holders
> -------------------------------------------------------
> None
> 
> 
> 7. References
> -------------------------------------------------------
> 
> 
> 
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