Hello Jordi,
Thanks for your email. Please see the responses inline below.
On 15/03/2021 8:05 am, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ wrote:
Hi all,
I've got no inputs to this message, so I moved on and edited a draft policy proposal,
trying to avoid any "contentious" wording ... but will see.
As usual, appreciate for your pro-activeness and support. The Policy SIG
Chairs have sent an invitation to the community to join a virtual
community consultation to discuss the Policy documentation review report
presented at APNIC 51 OPM. This is an opportunity for those who missed
the OPM to participate in this discussion.
https://www.apnic.net/community/participate/sigs/community-consultation/
After this virtual consultation, hope interested individuals (or groups)
may come forward to draft proposal/s.
I've one question for the secretariat, actually all, regarding the ASN return vs.
transfers. The point is that if we "ask" all the LIRs to return the ASNs that
they don't use, we should also ask them to return the IPv4 addresses that they don't use
... so then there is no need to allow the transfers. So, I think we should keep the
ASN/ASN transfers as is today. Or do you think the wording in between IPv4 and ASN is so
different that makes a point in rewording the ASN 12.4?
We could keep the current text but is contradicting with the text in
"Section 13.2.2. Conditions on the source of the transfer" and creating
confusion as reported at APNIC 51. Please refer to slide #17, here
https://2021.apricot.net/assets/files/APSr481/apnic-policy-document-review-report.pdf
This just requires a simple update to "Section 12.4 Providing ASN to
customer", point #4, to allow transfer in accordance with ASN Transfers
13.0.
Hope this clarifies.
Regards
Sunny
So ... see the attached PDF with the proposal. This is just a draft. As I
mention in my previous email, the goal is to have some discussions in the list
and get other folks joining before submitting a proposal ... of course, unless
there is no discussion in the list and I need to go for the proposal.
Regards,
Jordi
@jordipalet
El 3/3/21 13:40, "JORDI PALET MARTINEZ" <[email protected] en
nombre de [email protected]> escribió:
Hi Sunny, all,
Some of the topics that you mention, have been already resolved in other
RIRs, as there were similar issues. In fact, I authored a few policy proposals
about some of them.
In a quick review of your presentation, I see that many of them are really easy to resolve. They are not
"editorial" in the sense of typos or grammar, but inconsistencies among different parts of the
policy "manual" and, the most important thing, I believe they are non-contentious (so "should
not" have objections which create lack of consensus, lengthy discussions, etc.).
For example, in a quick look, some of those that I believe aren't
contentious:
0) Overall: Improve definitions, ensure they are in a single section?
1) End-Site vs end-user
2) 5.31, 5.32, 5.3.3 unify?
3) 5.6 and 5.6.1 repetitive, delete last one
4) Utilization vs usage rate
5) Agree with transfers in a single place
6) LIR assignment for their own infrastructure doesn't look as a real need
in IPv6?
7) 5.2.1 assignment window for LIRs Second Opinion Request
9) I don't think we need IPv6 guidelines ... anymore, having policies and
guidelines is making it more complex
10) No need for experimental IPv4 resources anymore?
11) ASNs 12.4 vs 13.0 - rewording or clarification needed
We shouldn't make this very complex or take a long time to resolve them. I
will say that by the next on-line meeting, should be sorted out, at least for
those issues that aren't contentious.
I just started a document with a proposal for all them. I will try to
finish it this afternoon.
However, I think if we can circulate in the list each topic, we can "see" if anyone is objecting to any of the
issues, before making a formal proposal. This way we can split the issues in those that are "non-contentious" and those
that "may have some objections". Even if the APNIC PDP is used to ask questions for separate parts of a single
proposal, we can make it much easier having ONE proposal for the "non-contentious", and then individual proposals for
each of the "contentious" ones.
We can try to determine if any of the issues is "contentious" by circulating in the sig-policy
list each of the points. This will only work if the people decide to *actively* participate, in such way that
for example, every week (more or less), from now to the next meeting (actually a couple of months before it,
at least), so we have a clear view of points to "exclude" from the "non-contentious
proposal".
*Otherwise*, if people are not willing to contribute actively, we don't
waste anyone time and I just fire a proposal tomorrow.
Now, while I'm happy to take over this task myself, I will prefer doing
this with other folks. May be people that never participated in policy
proposals before and want to take advantage of the experience?
So, I will ask once more: Anyone interested to contribute (you can email
me in private if you prefer so)?
Regards,
Jordi
@jordipalet
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