Dear Anupam,
Thanks for your participation in this discussion.
I hope George has explained the situation clearly enough. As for
whether there is an “issue”, it really isn’t for APNIC staff to
comment on that, so I hope other community members will share their
views!
All the best,
Paul.
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On 2 Jun 2021, at 13:00, George Odagi wrote:
Hi Anupam,
Thanks for your feedback.
The country information is already published in other whois attributes
such as in the resource records and organization object when querying
an IP address or AS number.
Regarding the phone number - once it becomes optional, there is no
need to populate with '+000000000' if a phone number has not been
published in the IRT object itself. Currently it is forced to include
the number as the attribute is mandatory in the role object.
To give you an example of the issue at hand, please see example of IRT
and abuse role objects below:
irt: IRT-APNICRANDNET-AU
address: PO Box 3646
address: South Brisbane, QLD 4101
address: Australia
e-mail: [email protected]
abuse-mailbox: [email protected]
admin-c: AR302-AP
tech-c: AR302-AP
auth: # Filtered
remarks: [email protected] was validated on 2021-02-09
mnt-by: MAINT-AU-APNIC-GM85-AP
last-modified: 2021-03-09T01:10:21Z
source: APNIC
role: ABUSE APNICRANDNETAU
address: PO Box 3646
address: South Brisbane, QLD 4101
address: Australia
country: ZZ
phone: +000000000
e-mail: [email protected]
admin-c: AR302-AP
tech-c: AR302-AP
nic-hdl: AA1412-AP
remarks: Generated from irt object IRT-APNICRANDNET-AU
abuse-mailbox: [email protected]
mnt-by: APNIC-ABUSE
last-modified: 2021-03-09T01:10:22Z
source: APNIC
Regards,
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From: Anupam Agrawal <[email protected]>
Date: Tuesday, 1 June 2021 at 11:13 pm
To: George Odagi <[email protected]>
Cc: [email protected] <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [sig-policy] APNIC Whois role object - Proposed changes
Dear George,
Having the country information is definitely an advantage. If the
phone number is made optional, then the issue of phone field getting
populated with +00000000 will still be there if the phone number is
not given.
Pardon my ignorance but the current APNIC model - it is causing an
issue exactly where?
Regards
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On 01-Jun-2021, at 10:23 AM, George Odagi
<[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Dear Community Members,
In light of the recent discussion about abuse role objects that were
created as a result of prop-125, we would like to share background
information about this implementation and consult with the community.
APNIC acknowledges this is a known issue caused by a limitation in
whois – which requires the phone number and country attributes to be
mandatory in role objects. The abuse role objects are auto-generated
from IRT objects, where the phone number attribute is optional and the
country attribute which does not exist. This resulted in populating
the phone number with '+000000000' in the event no phone number was
provided in the IRT object and using the country 'ZZ' to indicate the
country is unspecified in the IRT object.
The current whois versions in the RIPE NCC and AFRINIC do not include
the country attribute and the phone number attribute is treated as
optional in role objects - for example, see RIPE NCC's template below:
Attribute Name Presence Repeat Indexed
role: mandatory single lookup key
address: mandatory multiple
phone: optional multiple
fax-no: optional multiple
e-mail: mandatory multiple lookup key
org: optional multiple inverse key
admin-c: optional multiple inverse key
tech-c: optional multiple inverse key
nic-hdl: mandatory single primary/lookup key
remarks: optional multiple
notify: optional multiple inverse key
abuse-mailbox: optional* multiple inverse key
mnt-by: mandatory multiple inverse key
created: generated single
last-modified: generated single
source: mandatory single
A potential solution would be to upgrade APNIC's whois code to
duplicate these whois rules. Doing so would result in removing the
country attribute from APNIC's role objects altogether, in addition to
making the phone number attribute optional. This would ensure that
information is accurately reflected in the IRT and abuse role objects.
We would like to hear your feedback or concerns about this proposed
change. We plan to present more details during APNIC 52.
Regards,
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