Hi

Allocating IPv6 to non-electronic devices just doesn't make sense because it was never meant to be used other than to devices that route and communicate to the internet or have any relationship with Internet communication. There are already other means to allocate identification to devices of all kinds that seem to work well.

I fail to see where RPKI will play a role in this context if these sources will never be seen announced to the Internet.

When you talk about "end-to-end transparency of the network" how does that work if these addresses will never been seen on any network as they are non-electronic ?

Am I understanding correctly, but there is a suggestion to use NAT for IPv6 ? Such a controversial thing and again, where does it fit if non-electronic devices will never be connected to the internet ?

Fernando

On 07/08/2024 11:02, Wesley wrote:

Hi Jonathan

This is Wei WANG, the co-proposer of prop-161-v001.

Thank you for sharing your expertise. I'd like to clarify the rational of the proposal: we aim to innovate within the current policy framework by expanding the use of IPv6 addresses, without altering the underlying IPv6 technology stack.

Allocating IPv6 addresses to non-electronic items, is a straightforward simplied expression of binding a unique IPv6 address to each data object of  non-electronic item.

It is reasonable to have a specific domain name printed onto a trade mark, to assist consumers in obtaining the relevant product information. This can be regarded as assigning a domain name to a non-electronic item.

Similarly, our proposal is to directly use the IPv6 address behind the domain name as the primary ID to routing the user query to the exclusive data object page of the corresponding item.

However, Using IPv6 addresses as the item identifers doesn't mean replacing other identification schemes. Actually, in practice, IPv6 addresses could be generated by hashing the upper layer semantic ID to the interface ID/postfix 64 bits.

Introducing IPv6 addresses as the Item ID sets up an effective technical barrier to the product counterfeiters:

  1.   The ID owner is also the IP owner, ensuring that query traffic is directed to the correct destination through BGP broadcasting.

  2.   Authenticity is ensured by existing security measures such as RPKI (Resource Public Key Infrastructure) and CGA (Cryptographically Generated Addresses).

  3.   Traceability is enhanced by the end-to-end transparency of the network, providing clear location information for both the source and destination.

  4.   Flexibility is achieved as IP address administrators can use techniques like Layer 3 NAT, traffic scheduling, or Layer 7 switching to direct access requests to any arbitrary IT system, ensuring seamless collaboration with upper layer identification schemes .

In summary, while it is theoretically possible to assign an IPv6 address to every grain of sand in the world, in practice, this is unnecessary and impractical for natural sand found in deserts or on beaches. However, once sand is packaged or transformed into a commercial product, it may require an IPv6 address for identification and to provide access to the item's corresponding data object.

Best,

Wei WANG


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