Youre missing my point.. I'm not discussing contributions, I'm talking
about philosophies.. RMS has made major contributions, we all know that,
but his time is past.. ESR hasn't made near the contribution of RMS but
the point is that his philosophy is his contribution. The Open-Source
movement owes its' livelihood largely to ESR and his cathedral and the
bazaar. Free Software was never taken seriously, and still isn't at the
level that RMS advocates it. gcc is wonderful, but it is not an
application, it's just a compiler. Don't start with me on the importance
of compilers, I know, but you can't stop at compilers, you have to make
applications with them.
The point I was trying to make is that RMS's philosoph yis absed on ideals
that are *never* going to make it into the mainstream, they are never
going to work, and they never have worked. ESR is practical enough that
his philosophy could actually be adopted because it MAKES SENSE.
If you beleive that RMS's utopian free software bullshit makes sense.. I
just don't know man..
>
> How many people can you say practice exactly what they
> preach. You can't pin RMS on hypocricy ever. RMS has
> had a tough job, fighting the majority of an entire
> industry, for 20 YEARS!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ANd not
> once has he written a plea to the public, that his
> job is so hard.. and he wishes people would get
> off his case like ESR did in that post of his
> on his website. "MY job is hard and I'm a wuss"
> or whatever it was called.
>
RMS is a nut, plain and simple,that's why he never complains.. I don't
think marx ever complained either, but he never did anyone any good :)
>
> ESR goes around and attacks RMS on personal level,
> RMS usually keeps the arguement about the issues
> not about ESR appearance, or his speaking skills.
I didn't say ESR was a nice guy, his ideas are better..
> Why does ESR do this? I don't know, maybe he's just
> unable to really produce solid logical arguements
> and he just has to come up with whatever bullshit
> he can to support his stuff
>
he can't produce solid logical arguments? the cathedral and the bazaar
contains tons of them..
>
> IF it weren't for RMS, I wouldn't have anything.
> I wouldn't have a way to learn what I have.
> I wouldn't have a programming environment
> when I was interested in Junior High and my
> parents wouldn't spend any money on any
> programming stuff for me.
that's great.. and you would never get paid as a programmer, either, if
you took RMS's philosophies with his compiler..
> I'm not even the
> only one, theres thousands of people who have
> been enabled by RMS's efforts. Thosands
> that have learned to program on GCC, on
> free utilitys. Did ESR's fetchmail really
> cause thosands of people to learn substantially
> more, to follow their life calling, to use
> their skills to really add a lot to our society.
> HANDS DOWN NO!
Of course not.. again, I'm not talking about contributions, I'm talking
about PHILOSOPHY
> I guess RMS should just be written out of history
> cause he hasn't caused any FORTUNE 500's to
> do shit. He hasn't gone after the attention of
> the media.
yes he has, he just hasn't gotten it
> He doesn't give a shit. He doesn't compromise
> his beliefs to gain more social popularity.
> Oh well... good bye RMS we didn't need you
> in the first place.
no? what's this bullshit about blowing people off when they refer to linux
as GNU/Linux? he's an egomaniac..
>
> RMS has created excellent legal documentation for
> the world to use.
>
> RMS has organized the larges distributed projects
> of software over the globe.
>
actually, linus torvalds organized the largest distributed software
project.. RMS's projects, like Emacs, weren't as open as linux or
others..
>
> IF I ABSOLUTELY POSITIVELY HAD TO chose who I wouldn't
> need: I think it would be ESR.. BECAUSE MY LIFE WOULD
> BE ALMOST EXACTLY THE SAME if he didn't exist,
> and the social
> impacts hes had haven't really been that great.
> But if RMS never existed. I'm pretty sure my life
> would be completely different.
>
> Fuck ESR I didn't need him in the first place,
> and I never asked for someone to make companys
> and businessmen understand, or be convinced that
> free software was the right way to do things.
>
no, but you like free software, right? thanks to ESR there are actually
jobs in free software.. companies are using free software for enterprise
networks and you can use the knowledge you learned in your basement to
pull a 6-figure salary, sometimes with no other training..
RMS and ESR have both played their parts, RMS has contributed more in the
way of software but ESR has caused more contribution, through his
philosophy, than RMS could have dreamed of..
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