(Forgot to mention. Obviously same exception for those who bring IP or cash)
On Thu, 12 Apr. 2018, 2:34 am Kevin Baum, <kevin.b...@agriwebb.com> wrote: > Fair enough. Just my personal opinion. A quick anecdote to contextualise > though: > > - About 3 years ago an entrepreneur friend from Colorado started a > business with 2 people from where he was working. They split equity 3 ways > and worked on the side for over a year (past the cliff of their accelerated > vesting). > - One of the three of them barely contributed during that time, citing > how his work projects were far more onerous than expected and he just > didn't have time to help out, but would certainly quit his job like the > other 2 once they raised their seed round and begin pulling his weight. > - After a year, they raised that seed round. My friend and the second > co-founder quit their jobs and began working full-time as planned. > - 6 months later (18 months in), despite very little contribution, the > third co-founder decided that he was quitting McKinsey to pursue a career > in politics and would not be working on the startup. Having already vested > half of his shares, he was now dead equity totalling 1/6 of the company and > refused to sell back that equity. > - It nearly killed the company, and lawyers had to get involved to > sort it all out and it certainly ruined their friendship. > > Sadly this is not isolated either, as I know of a nearly identical (but > more easily resolved) situation with a former classmate. > > I guess I would suggest that granting sweat equity before it has been > earned can be problematic and that same thing can be accomplished by having > the equity held by the company as a pool or some other mechanism and not > granted until it has been truly earned. > > And while I firmly believe in the power of working on something part time > (perhaps I was too harsh before), I also feel that nearly every story of a > side gig turned successful startup has to involve a "moving from part-time > to full-time" stage. > > Cheers, > > > Sincerely, > > *Kevin Baum* > > [image: AgriWebb] <http://agriwebb.com/> > > Kevin Baum / CEO/Co-founder > Ph: 0449 606 144 > > AgriWebb > http://agriwebb.com > Level 6, 227 Elizabeth Street, Sydney 2000 > > > On Wed, Apr 11, 2018 at 11:05 PM, Dean Collins <d...@cognation.net> wrote: > >> Pretty good advice apart from quitting your job part. >> But agree with everything else. >> >> Cheers >> Dean >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> *From:* Kevin Baum [kevin.b...@agriwebb.com] >> *Received:* Wednesday, 11 Apr 2018, 8:04AM >> *To:* silicon-beach-australia@googlegroups.com [ >> silicon-beach-australia@googlegroups.com] >> *Subject:* Re: [SiliconBeach] Startup equity split >> >> Hi Luke, >> >> Co-Founder of a 4 year old SaaS company here. >> >> Having had multiple experiences with Equity that led to conflict I would >> recommend the following: >> >> - *Always split equity evenly between founders* (unless one is >> bringing * defensible IP* or *$$* to the table. Ideas do not count. >> It's not about ideas, but execution). Roles change and become more and >> less >> important over time. Splitting it based on perceived value in the future >> is >> impossible to do. >> - *Everyone Vests* - Typically 4 yr with a 1 yr cliff. I personally >> have dealt with and know several others who have dealt with founders >> leaving early and having dead-equity nightmares that decimated funding >> rounds. >> - *Nobody gets equity granted until they quit their job* - people's >> circumstances change and you should not grant equity based on a promise. >> Part time is 1/10th as effective as full, and sweat equity should not be >> realised until someone goes full time. >> >> Happy to chat more about some of my horror stories if you like. >> >> Sincerely, >> >> *Kevin Baum* >> >> [image: AgriWebb] <http://agriwebb.com/> >> >> Kevin Baum / CEO/Co-founder >> Ph: 0449 606 144 >> >> AgriWebb >> http://agriwebb.com >> Level 6, 227 Elizabeth Street, Sydney >> <https://maps.google.com/?q=Level+6,+227+Elizabeth+Street,+Sydney&entry=gmail&source=g> >> 2000 >> >> >> On Fri, Apr 6, 2018 at 4:56 PM, Luke Haddrick <luke.haddr...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >>> Hey Guys >>> >>> >>> I am in the early stages of setting up a SaaS company with 2 other >>> partners. The dilemma I face is all too common, what should the split be? >>> We haven't started selling the product yet, however we need to address this >>> upfront now as you know. >>> >>> Summary of the role of the 3 founders and the level of involvement: >>> >>> Founder 1: CEO - owner of the idea, and will be responsible for >>> day-to-day, pitching, bus-dev etc >>> >>> Founder 2: Tech Director (CTO) who will manage the development >>> requirements (time is scarce as working FT elsewhere) >>> >>> Founder 3: Director - who will bring the network of contacts and has >>> founded another creative agency (time is scarce as working on multiple >>> other projects) >>> >>> Question 1: Should costs for development and design of the website be >>> split even through the other two partners are taking a chunk of equity >>> each? As opposed to startup expenses being invested by each party i.e. >>> development costs / design costs to be earn their equity stake. >>> >>> Question 2. With respect to sweat involvement or grunt a flexible >>> structure is needed where the amount vested can be adjusted over time. >>> >>> How do I approach this? >>> >>> Thanks >>> Luke >>> >>> -- >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Silicon >>> Beach Australia mailing list. Vist http://siliconbeachaustralia.org for >>> more >>> >>> Forum rules >>> 1) No lurkers! It is expected that you introduce yourself. >>> 2) No jobs postings. 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