On Mon, Nov 28, 2005 at 07:20:19AM -0800, Thaths wrote:

> > Why should they hack us when they can overrun us in person,
> > with a better ROI?
> 
> Maybe because the ET are worried about the impact the number of body
> bags they send back home to Omicron 8 have on them getting reelected?

If you're looking at selection in the pioneer organism wavefront
you'll see it's a convergent niche only favoring fastest replicators and
travellers -- nobody else. After a few 10^8 lightyears worth of 
interstellar agar you'd get something fast and deadly, but definitely 
not smart (even if it started out pretty damn brilliant). It's not a trait 
pioneers are selected for.

If we continue as we do now it can't be more than about a century
before we spawn our own pioneer wavefront.

> My point is that the ET may not be that radically different from you
> and I. Not all ET are Borg, you know. They are not all marauding

Borg are irrelevant. Solid-state will assimilate them. Expanding
pioneer wavefronts are even unobservable, by virtue of being relativistic
and restucturing matter in their wake to prevent observer emergence 
(anthropic principle). The time window during which you can see them
come before they hit you is extremely narrow, if we're a typical
culture. The time window is ending, because we're about to start
expanding ourselves. Two expanding waves would only see indistinguishable
organisms, and will only cancel out. Postpioneer followup waves eventually
result a fluctuating background of omega biota, very close to the ceiling.

> Mongol or Chinese hoards. They might have to use their version of
> smart bombs to minimize collateral damage too.

No need for smart bombs. What will you do if the sun will cease
to shine three months after tomorrow? Hey, no harsh feelings.
Just our normal metabolism. The postpioneers will burrow for frozen
critters in the blue snow.

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