--- Indrajit Gupta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Are we in total agreement and arguing hotly with > each other still?
We are in total agreement. This is what happens when I write emails while skyping with someone across the big drink. -Frank > Err, no, Indrajit:) I was talking about cities and > towns that were overrun by marauding hordes:) Battle > fields are not really a great source of artefacts. > Sea > battles, though, tend to be more relevant. > > Which to some extent applies to India as well, > although, as you point out, Harappa does not seem to > have been affected much. > > -Frank > > > > > Incidentally, I am not aware of any evidence from > > any of the Harappan cities of violence or violent > > acts having occurred. That doesn't mean they > didn't; > > just that there is no evidence. So there is some > > doubt in certain circles about the vicious > barbarian > > horsemen over-running the cities of the plain, > with > > attendant rapine and murder. > > > > There is not much left of ancient battlefields; it > > isn't the same case with ancient cities. > > > > Frank Pohlmann > wrote: > > > > --- Indrajit Gupta wrote: > > > > > We are talking about a period which ranged > roughly > > > between 1500 BC to 400/500 BC. What kind of > > detritus > > > did you expect to see left behind? Any examples > > from > > > other geographies/locations? > > > > Yes, Troy is not a bad example of a place that was > > conquered and destroyed a few times, The Middle > East > > is full of such ruins. > > > > > > > > Split skulls? Wouldn't they be fine powder by > > today? > > > > Not necessarily, depending how they have been > > preserved. > > > Coastal ports, fortified cities etc - could > > probably > > > be related to the > > > phoenicians, who were anyway regularly sailing > > these > > > coasts > > > > How's the state of the art re the Phoenicians > > anyway? > > Anyone has any websites or book titles I could > take > > a > > look at? > > > > > that can disprove a right winger theory. If you > > have > > > any contemporary, > > > and balanced studies you can point me to, that'd > > be > > > great. > > > > I dug out a Finnish scholar a while ago, but his > > name > > escapes me right now. he was not balanced, > strictly > > speaking, but he gave all sides their due. > > > > > > rather insalubrious imitators in the Middle > > East, > > > > China and India. > > > > > > The aryans did appear to retain their love of > > > cavalry / chariot troops > > > and conquest, stuff like the "ashwamedha" that > > most > > > emperors seemed to > > > have performed, where they'd let a horse loose > and > > > send an army behind > > > it .. wherever the horse goes, they try to > attack > > > that kingdom and claim > > > it for their emperor. > > > > The story seems common between the Bosporus and > > Northern India and is usually related to > > IndoEuropean > > invaders (not nec. Aryans, whoever they might have > > been). > > > > > So .. well, the conquest theory could well have > > been > > > valid. Only there's > > > not too much sign of the usual detritus a battle > > > leaves behind - spear / > > > arrow heads, swords, split skulls etc. > > > > > > Virus, drought or something similar followed by > a > > > largescale exodus out > > > of the area could well cause it. > > > > Are there any records of plagues etc. in the > Indian > > record before the Muslim invasions? > > > > -Frank > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Indrajit Gupta > > > 'Ramsharan', 396, TT Krishnamachari Road, > > > Teynampet, > > > Chennai 600 018. > > > > > > +914455511138 > > > +919884375777 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > > Jiyo cricket on Yahoo! India cricket > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ___________________________________________________________ > > > > Yahoo! Messenger - NEW crystal clear PC to PC > > calling worldwide with voicemail > > http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > > > > Indrajit Gupta > > 'Ramsharan', 396, TT Krishnamachari Road, > > Teynampet, > > Chennai 600 018. > > > > +914455511138 > > +919884375777 > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > Jiyo cricket on Yahoo! India cricket > > > > > ___________________________________________________________ > > To help you stay safe and secure online, we've > developed the all new Yahoo! Security Centre. > http://uk.security.yahoo.com > > > > > > Indrajit Gupta > 'Ramsharan', 396, TT Krishnamachari Road, > Teynampet, > Chennai 600 018. > > +914455511138 > +919884375777 > > > > > --------------------------------- > Jiyo cricket on Yahoo! India cricket ___________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Photos NEW, now offering a quality print service from just 8p a photo http://uk.photos.yahoo.com
