On 29-Jun-06, at 11:23 AM, sastry wrote:

On Thu June 29 2006 15:31, Ashish Gulhati wrote:

Nothing "democratic" about this - it's just individual property
rights being
respected.

The judiciary, and the government are two pillars of democratic process. In this case the pillars have worked in one way. Saying that it is not democracy
is moot.

You miss the point. Pure "democracy" not limited by the primacy of individual rights would result in the private land being seized without just compensation.
In India, given that the fundamental right to private property has been
abolished, this is a very likely outcome, though by no means a just one.

As long as the primacy of individual rights is recognized and respected, there's no problem with democratic decision-making about matters like co- operative geographic defences, mechanisms of protecting individual rights, etc. But all too often, as in the case of India, democracy is used as an excuse to legalize
the violation of individual rights.

I do not doubt the soundness opf your principle - but movement has to occur
from what we have, and not from what we should have had.

Only once we recognize where we want to head can we move towards
that objective. Using thought experiments set in idealized conditions is simply a tool to reason about the issues. Progress towards a true free market requires the dissolution or privatization of collectivist institutions, such as state-owned utilities and infrastructure. When that happens, roads _will_ be privately owned.

It's analogous to removing bugs from a program. Only when all major bugs are fixed will the program compile and run properly. Getting from the buggy program to the fixed one is the task. It's no help to say that "well if those bugs in group A were fixed then these other ones in group B could be fixed, but as those group A ones are not fixed, what's the point of trying to debug the program at all?"

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