On Fri, Feb 09, 2007 at 10:13:54PM +0000, Bruce Metcalf wrote:

> I think hoax is the wrong term. Stupid is good though. Yeah, stupid.

Yes, if you insist to use things in the wrong way it could be called that.

The damn horses keep dying if you feed them with petroleum. So
petroleum is stupid. And if you run your cars on enrichened uranium
the passengers puke their guts out, and then, too, die. So nuclear
power is stupid.
 
> One might argue with a few of his numbers, but even at twice the 

One might argue with his entire essay. It made me want to slap the
man around, to knock some sense into his head.

> efficiencies assumed in this paper, hydrogen energy storage is pretty 

Efficiences are not the things you plug into the equations. What's
the efficiency of sun-driven fixated ancient carbon dioxide? Very close
to zero. What's the fixation efficiency of current biomass? Some half
to one percent. What's current photovoltaics? 20-30%. A car? Under 20%.
Gas turbine? Up to 50%. Fuel cells? 60-80% Electromotor? 90-98%

See? Efficiencies alone are meaningless.

> hopeless.
> 
> Even if the efficiencies were there, it still boggles the mind to think 
> of cars, trucks -- dare I say motorcycles -- all hauling around 

It really boggles the mind. Fortunately, it won't happen. Electrical
vehicles (compare the energy density of Li-polymer with diesel -- and
see how very little energy density alone means a thing) and synthetic
fuels will take care of that. 

> substantial quantities of hydrogen using conventional humans as drivers.

Hydrogen is lots more safe than gasoline -- at least in open spaces.
And methanol is less toxic than gasoline. Funny how these urban legends
are just that.
 
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