Shiv Shastry wrote:

In a sense the commentator is right and Deepa is wrong. The facts he speaks of
about the Tanjavur and Madurai temples  are certainly "lost and shrouded in
secrecy".

. Well, Shiv, what I disagree with in the video is the assumption that
if the facts are unkown to the West, they are "lost". Most of us
"southies" know the facts about Madurai and Thanjavur temples; iin
fact the the Tirunelveli temple are is even larger than that of the
Madurai Meenaksh temple.

And these sculptures often deal not just with sex in the abstract but
their effect on life, too... In the temple complex at Tirunelveli,
there is a most evocative sculpture of a woman with a bulging
belly...her head is in her hands and she is the picture of
despair...unwanted motherhood, depicted in such a small figure! The
region surrounding Madurai has a plethora of temples, some of which
also have explicit erotic art (eg the temple to Andal at
Srivilliputhur, one and a half hours drive from Madurai. Andal, like
Meera realized God through Shringara or romantic love, and I loved
seeing  the incredibly beautiful sculptures on the temple pillars.The
yogini-yogi combination you mention is found there, too....I
remembered that "yoga" is actually "union")

But indeed it is worth examining how our "morality"code  has changed
to the point where we seem so obsessed with covering everything, from
nude statues onwards. So keen is this need to cover everything, that
shops sell covers for washing machines and food processors. It can't
be only for the dust: these machines are used everyday and dusted and
wiped, and then...er...religiously covered!

Deepa.



On 5/18/07, shiv sastry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
On Thursday 17 May 2007 10:12 pm, Deepa Mohan wrote:
> And...it was interesting to watch the White Man's Take of
> ...er..."lost temples, shrouded in secrecy" ...and realize that the
> narrator is talking about Madurai and Thanjavur!

The video is a documentary from a channel that I don't recognise - "TLC" and
basically deals with facts about Indian temples - most Souther India - where
they still exist as they were when they were originally built.

In a sense the commentator is right and Deepa is wrong. The facts he speaks of
about the Tanjavur and Madurai temples  are certainly "lost and shrouded in
secrecy". These are data points that tell you that some 75 or 100 Taj Mahals
can fit into the temple complex or that the area  covered is big enough to
accommodate the Kremlin, Westminster and some other European city-centers in
and era when those city centers were yet to be created (or some such
factoid). More stone appears to have been hefted in creating the Thanjavur
temple than in creating the Pyramid at Giza, and evidence exists as to how
that stone was hefted - including taking 40 ton blocks several hundred feet
up to the top of a temple tower.

But relevant to this thread is the theory about why these temples, with their
intricate art remain "lost" to the West. The commentator says that in
eighteen hundred something a Brit rediscovered the Khajuraho temple with
their erotic carvings. The discovery was sensational in the sense that in the
Victorian society of the day it was not even possible to talk about the
sculpture in Khajuraho in "polite" company.

The Brits, says the commentator were far more comfortable with the symmetry
and beauty of the Taj  Mahal - which they could talk about, rather than the
vastly bigger and more intricate Hindus temples that would have required them
to talk about things that even the spam filters in the email chain of
silk-list censor, to ensure that I don't receive my own messages in which I
have used words like "c*nt" and "pen*s"

shiv





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