As a registrar, your abuse desk has more than enough work to do .. I didn't 
think you did webhosting as well?

--srs (iPad)

On 18-Sep-2012, at 18:27, Biju Chacko <biju.cha...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I don't think I'd have a problem with complying with a court order.
> It's complying with the orders of every joe on the street with a chip
> on his shoulder that bothers me.
> 
> It also bothers me that the kids on the abuse desk should have to
> decide what constitutes offensive speech.
> 
> -- b
> 
> On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 6:20 PM, Suresh Ramasubramanian
> <sur...@hserus.net> wrote:
>> Technically they lose the safe harbor granted to intermediaries in such a 
>> case.
>> 
>> These decisions are certainly capable of being challenged in the courts - in 
>> that once you refuse to take down such content, the offended party can 
>> complain to the police, get a court order etc to compel you to take it down. 
>>   Once it goes to the courts you can challenge it there.
>> 
>> --srs (iPad)
>> 
>> On 18-Sep-2012, at 18:15, Biju Chacko <biju.cha...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 5:24 PM, Suresh Ramasubramanian
>>> <sur...@hserus.net> wrote:
>>>> You don't need a court order or order from any competent authority which 
>>>> includes the police etc
>>>> 
>>>> As far as I can see there's an obligation to take the content down no 
>>>> matter who notifies you about it, if it contravenes any of the provisions 
>>>> of sub rule 2 n the IT intermediaries guidelines 2011
>>>> 
>>>> _________
>>>> 
>>>> "Information Technology (Intermediaries Guidelines) Rules, 2011"
>>>> http://deity.gov.in/sites/upload_files/dit/files/RNUS_CyberLaw_15411.pdf
>>>> 
>>>> 4. The intermediary, on whose computer system the information is stored or 
>>>> hosted or published, upon obtaining knowledge by itself or been brought to 
>>>> actual knowledge by an affected person in writing or through email signed 
>>>> with electronic signature about any such information as mentioned in 
>>>> sub-rule (2) above, shall act within thirty six hours and where 
>>>> applicable, work with user or owner of such information to disable such 
>>>> information that is in contravention of sub rule (2).  Further the 
>>>> intermediary shall preserve such information and associated records for at 
>>>> least ninety days for investigation purposes.
>>>> 
>>>> Sub Rule 2 prohibits intermediaries from hosting, displaying, uploading, 
>>>> modifying, publishing, transmitting, updating or sharing any information 
>>>> that
>>>> 
>>>> a. Belongs to another person and to which the user does not have any right 
>>>> to
>>>> 
>>>> b. Is grossly harmful, harassing, blasphemous, defamatory, obscene, 
>>>> pornographic, pedophilic, libellous, invasive of another's privacy, 
>>>> hateful, or racially, ethnically objectionable, disparagng, relating or 
>>>> encourating money laundering or gambling, or otherwise unlawful in any 
>>>> manner whatsoever
>>>> 
>>>> c. Harm minors in any way
>>>> 
>>>> d. Infringers any patent, trademark, copyright or other proprietory rights
>>>> 
>>>> e. Violates any law for the time being in force
>>>> 
>>>> f. Deceives or misleads the addressee about the origin of such messages or 
>>>> communicates any information which is grossly offensive or menacing in 
>>>> nature
>>>> 
>>>> g. Impersonate another person
>>>> 
>>>> h. Contains software viruses or any other computer code, files or programs 
>>>> designed to interrupt, destroy or limit the functionality of any computer 
>>>> resource
>>>> 
>>>> i. Threatens the unity, integrity, defence, security or sovereignty of 
>>>> India, friendly relations with foreign states, or or public order or 
>>>> causes incitement to the commission of any cognisable offense or prevents 
>>>> investigation of any offense or is insulting any other nation
>>> 
>>> It seems to me that it is items (b) and (i) which can be most easily
>>> misused to gag people. Since those would involve making a judgement
>>> call, could a service provider punt it to the courts saying that it is
>>> not competent to make such judgements?
>>> 
>>> -- b
>>> 
>> 
> 

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