Fantastic article. I too was a quizzer during school and college in
Bangalore and while I was good enough to represent them, I wasn't good
enough to come close to winning. And yet, when I was in Oxford for a year,
I went religiously to the weekly pub quiz, which was exactly like Samanth
describes it, even though he's describing the US and not the UK.

Btw, did anyone see Brahman Naman. I saw the first half of the movie but
was put off by a few things (such as the lack of the default B'lore English
pronunciation of the time and misogyny). Should I finish it?



On Fri, Aug 26, 2016 at 3:12 PM, Thaths <tha...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Quizzing is a common trait among Silklisters. Here is a piece by fellow
> Silklister Samanth on the differences between Indian quizzing and its
> American and European cousins.
>
> I have found the second-hand nature of the knowledge being rewarded in
> Indian quizzing circles to be strange. Take Samanth's illustrative sample
> in the article below. Why the users of Indian Telephones and Telegraph
> were rewarded
> for knowing the name of the font used by AT&T to print telephone
> directories never made much sense to me. Many of the quizzers would have
> never touched an AT&T telephone, let alone thumbed through a telephone
> directory published by Ma Bell.
>
> Perhaps there is a bit of aspiration involved in knowing the facts to these
> questions: I'd like to lead a life where AT&T telephones and directories
> are commonplace in my life.
>
> Thaths
>
> PS: I also have to disagree with Samanth's grouping of American and
> European quizzing into one bucket. I have found British quizzing (as
> exemplified by pub quizzes) to be on par with Indian quizzing in terms of
> its inventive questions.
>
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> of-knowledge/article8849921.ece
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> [image: Drained of colour: John F Kennedy was a fascinating and colourful
> man, by all accounts. And yet, an American quiz could only summon up the
> most uninspiring facts about him.]
> The Hindu ArchivesDrained of colour: John F Kennedy was a fascinating and
> colourful man, by all accounts. And yet, an American quiz could only summon
> up the most uninspiring facts about him.
>
> India, despite having a dry and uninventive education system, has a much
> more creative and enjoyable quizzing culture than the US
>
> A month into my undergraduate degree, when I was still somewhat unmoored in
> my strange new habitat — a small, white college town in the middle of an
> enormous US state — I discovered the university’s Quiz Bowl Club. The club
> convened at 8 pm every Monday and Thursday, in a classroom reserved for the
> purpose. You brought along dinner — your sandwich or your $2 slice of pizza
> — and made an evening of it. The first time I went, I was immediately at
> home. Here were my people, the geeks and the social misfits and the
> inordinately curious, the lovers of bad puns and obscure allusions, the
> devotees of minutiae. I felt like a Jew of the Diaspora who had finally
> made aliyah.
>
> Within the first 15 minutes, I realised how different American quizzing
> was. Here, a question was simply an absence of a fact, a sheaf of data
> points that ended in a bald query for information. “This politician, from a
> prominent New England family, served in World War II and became a Senator
> in 1952. He participated in the first televised presidential debate in
> 1960, appearing opposite Richard Nixon. For 10 points, name America’s only
> Roman Catholic president.” The questions might have been drawn from
> textbooks. Indeed, I often had to recall the physics or chemistry lessons
> I’d crunched into my head by rote only the previous year, when I was
> finishing school in Chennai. What was going on? I wondered. Why was
> American quizzing — and even European quizzing, as I later found — such a
> dust-dry, uninventive affair, so different from quizzing in India?
>
> The paradox still intrigues me. In India, it is the education that is dry
> and uninventive, a dense and endless parade of facts that must be memorised
> and redelivered during examinations. Recall is everything. Yet our quizzing
> has evolved, over the last couple of decades, to be playful, and rich and
> creative. No Indian quizmaster (outside, I will cheekily say, of Kolkata)
> will set questions that rely purely upon recall. (What is the capital of
> Ghana? Who founded Nike?) Instead, each question is a miniature puzzle, to
> be approached and unlocked in myriad ways. Even the best quizzers do not
> know cold most of the correct answers they give; instead, they work these
> answers out, applying knowledge but also logic, teamwork and instinct.
> Clues are scattered, like breadcrumbs, all over a question, just enough to
> lead you home but insufficient to give the game away altogether. There is
> often some sly wordplay. Quizzes routinely feature audio, visuals and
> video; the Son of Lumiere movie quiz, conducted every year by the Karnataka
> Quiz Association and including nearly 120 minutes of expertly clipped video
> embedded into a PowerPoint deck, is arguably the most slickly produced quiz
> on Earth.
>
> An illustration of an Indian quiz question: The font Bell Centennial was
> commissioned in the late 1970s, with the objective of fitting more
> characters into a line without loss of legibility, reducing the need for
> abbreviations and two-line entries. It replaced an earlier font, which was
> plagued by the problem of spreading ink, made worse by the quality of the
> paper. Where would we have seen Bell Centennial in the 1980s and 1990s, and
> increasingly less since then? Now, a graphic designer might well know the
> name of the font, but it takes much less specialised wisdom to recall that
> AT&T was once part of the Bell phone network, or to think about where we
> might encounter crunched text on poor paper, or to recognise that phone
> directories are much rarer than they were a few decades ago. The Bell
> Centennial, we may deduce with logic and a tiny spark of inspiration, was
> the default font in the telephone book.
>
> In a way, quizzing in India is a minor triumph of intellectual culture, a
> small but stubborn efflorescence in a largely arid landscape. It is not
> difficult to suppose that quizzing evolved in this manner as a clear
> rejection of the banality of rote learning that schools and universities
> require. Quizzing was steered in this direction by, and now regularly
> absorbs, people hungering for a different, more capacious form of learning.
> The best quizzes reward lateral and imaginative thinking; they treat, with
> noble seriousness, pursuits that India considers frivolous: movies, or
> science fiction, or heavy metal; they like to ask “how” or “why”, rather
> than “what” or “when”; they encourage wide and eccentric reading, reading
> that is its own joy. Not coincidentally, these are all attributes that have
> been stripped right out of our system of education.
>
> I like to believe that Indian quizzing has somehow found its way to a truly
> organic model of knowledge. Recall is artificial, almost mechanical, in its
> dredging-out of half-forgotten items of information. How much more natural
> it feels to connect disparate facts from disparate fields, to rely on a
> combination of intuition and memory, and to be part of a team’s cooperative
> thinking. And how much more exciting! Few people, I suspect, walk out of
> our country’s board exams — or, for that matter, out of the average
> European quiz — burning with the desire to go right back home and hit the
> books. A good Indian quiz, though, inspires and invigorates. It leaves us
> humming with anticipation — about new things to read or watch or listen to,
> unfamiliar subjects to learn, and fresh waters to explore.
>



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