The Debate Continues!!! Mr. Nowell seems hung up on this petri dish thing...
> Now- > Please supply us with "your" data that shows that a silver solution > lower than 15 ppm. solution in a Petri dish will kill spirochetes. And in another post: > You cannot kill certain pathogens with 5-15 ppm. solutions- not > even in a Petri dish. And again: > You could not possibly have cured yourself of Lyme using homemade > silver as you could not get the concentration up to a level to > kill the spirochete at full strength in the Petri dish, let alone > diluted in 6 litres of human blood and without applying certain > adjunct protocols. My question is: Does the delivery mechanism make no difference at all? Will not a lower concentration taken in larger quantities achieve clinically significant systemic levels of silver? Isn't the *uptake* of a certain number of micrograms per day the important issue, rather than ppm of a particular preparation? Again! YOUR PETRI DISH DOESN'T HAVE KIDNEYS!! :-0 The following is somewhat more valid, but how significant? > ... you never know what ppm. you have and what contaminants you > have produced whether it is silver chloride or silver oxide etc.. I do want to find an appropriate assay I could use at home to determine ppm. Then I could afford to really study the conditions under which we make our CS. At what levels do silver salts and oxide become toxic, Mr. Nowell? How many micro-grams per day, or per dose, or ppm on a continuing basis? At the levels we're producing, I'd be surprised if we're not orders of magnitude from toxic effects. I am more than happy to be educated on the matter, however. > ... You have to use a stabilizer so that it will not precipitate > or else you will have a bell curve of variable result or no result > as you use it Well, I just made a batch, and consumed my chosen daily dose. I'll have to make another batch tomorrow or the next day. It kinda averages out, you know? *I* know the stuff isn't stable! That's why I make it fresh. And it's so cheap that if I don't trust it I'll throw it out and make more. > ... and you can never make enough at once to have a standardized > volume to tailor the dosage to the symptomatology as each batch > you make is different ... That's true. I'm not manufacturing large quantities, and there is some batch-to-batch variation. Given the lower concentration and larger dosage volume, however, my results won't be quite as sensitive to minor variations in yield. With a reasonable effort at consistant procedure, *I* am confident that the variations are not overmuch with *my* setup. > ... and you can never know exactly what you have to use in order to > treat to induce or ameliorate a herxheimer; and if that wasn't even > bad enough as you don't have enough ppm. to even cause the herx.. Is there a Lyme patient out there who has triggered a Herx using home made CS? Hmmm? Marsha? > Just for your information: plain distilled is not even good enough. > > You have to use a double steam distillation processed water or at > the least, a steam distillation process that has at least a > minimum of a 4-1 ratio. I'm certain that is true for *your* process with the goals you have in mind for *your* product. I'm certain that in dealing with the protocols necessary to produce a quality protien suspension, your production parameters are quite demanding. I respect the quality, reliability, and effectiveness of your product, Mr. Nowell, and I value the testing and research the developers have done to make it available. Your results, as far as they go, are quite respectable. >From what I've read and heard, including your results, I would not waste my money on any off-the-shelf preparation other than yours. I just wish I could afford it at all! Then I could do away with this minor annoyance of having to make my own. But I *do* find my home-made CS effective. And there is *nothing* in your 40 pages of research or the comments you have made here that convinces me I am mistaken. >I welcome cross examination of the Silver data published at > >http://www.escape.ca/~revive > >as it has been done by some of the finest minds and facilities in our >Nations including Universities, Laboratories, and the N.I.H.. Yes, but just what have they done for you? Mostly that petri dish thing again. "Preparation of concentration M kills bugs X, Y and Z in culture medium Q." And you have not shown that useful *systemic* levels of silver are not obtainable with lower concentrations taken in larger doses. A simple enough concept, no? I don't have the controlled double-blind in-vivo clinical studies in statistically significant populations necessary to prove that my stuff works. But then, neither do you. I admit we have a lot to learn. But our results are real. Boy this is fun! Don't let yourselves get upset over it gang! Mike [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [[email protected] ] [Speaking only for himself... ]
