Okay folks... I am interested buying a distiller. Can somebody pass along the info to me when they get a chance? Thanks.
Bill G. [email protected] M. G. Devour wrote: > Hi List! > > bjs posted some of the information and opinions from Thomas Miller's > site, http://www.bioelectrifier.com/silver.htm . > > Bruce's response is more accusatory than appropriate, but does hit > the technical issues. > > This points up the fact that the "experts" don't agree on all the > specifics of how to make and use CS. From what I've seen so far, > there is no "best" colloidal silver. The distictions people try to > draw between competing types are as much for marketing purposes as > anything else. > > We haven't looked at any general method that *doesn't* produce a > usable, and presumably safe product. Battery driven Becker style low > voltage DC units and pulsed Clark zapper units work fine. The higher > voltage DC units may work, although we've not seen much activity in > that area on this list. And some folks swear by their high voltage DC > and AC units like the Motherlode and several CS Pro models. > > But what we *DO NOT* have, is complete data from any of the > claimants to support their contention that the "other guy's" stuff > isn't good. > > Bruce wrote: > > > bjs1779 wrote: (actually quotes from Thomis Miller) > > > > There is no such thing as "golden" colloidal silver. > > > > UNTRUE; this has already deen discussed & documented... > > Plenty of us have made something that would qualify as "golden" CS > and have had it work. Is it superior in any way? We don't know! > > > > and Merck's > > > Handbook describes many silver compounds as "pale yellow." They include > > > silver bromide, silver > > > carbonate, silver chlorite, silver hyponitrate, silver iodide, silver > > > nitrite, silver phosphate and silver picrate. > > > Some of these compounds are described as toxic. > > This is the crux of Miller's argument. Unfortunately it is a > logically flawed assertion: Whereas there are silver compounds > described as "pale yellow", and some of these are known to be toxic, > *Therefore* the color of "golden" CS *MUST* be caused by one or more > of these compounds, and must be toxic. His statement is unsupported > by any testing or data and is inconclusive. > > Lindemann and others have proposed a perfectly adequate explanation > of the color, based on diffractive effects of small metallic > particles in suspension. If uniformly dispersed metallic particles in > a specific range of sizes happen to absorb blue light, then you'll > see an amber liquid. > > Which of them is correct? We don't really know, do we? > > Miller (by way of bjs) writes: > > > > The proper way to make colloidal silver is... > > ... to carefully follow any of several recipes that have been known > to produce workable CS. To say anything else at this time is > presumptuous. > > At least for the purposes of this list, there is not any "best" or > uniquely "proper" way to make CS ... yet! Will there be? Perhaps > yes, when either we or the competing vendors and experts can > publicly disclose the hard data that documents the differences > between methods. As yet, the only data we *have* is all the > anecdotal testimony, which says that they all seem to work. > > Bruce again: > > > IF YOU ADD SALT, the first thing you produce is silver cloride, > > the whitish cloud you speak of. Pure silver particles will not be > > formed until all of the cloride has reacted with the silver you're > > trying to make... It's simple chemistry. > > And I have yet to learn just how many ppm of salt result from a "drop > or two" of brine in a cup of water. How much silver chloride is there > going to be, and how bad is it for you? How does that level compare > with the chloride formed when the CS hits your stomach acid? And how > much do you get from swimming in the ocean or eating fish? <GRIN> > > We don't have the data to prove either that silver chloride is > dangerous in the concentrations formed, *or* that the particles > produced are larger, which is one of Lindemann's claims. So I'm still > not willing to say that salt is *bad* even though some experts do. > > Miller writes: > > > Sea salt ... contains ... EVERY MINERAL KNOWN TO EXIST > ... > > > It may make a good trace-mineral supplement, but DO NOT > > > use it in making colloidal silver. > > A fair statement and reasonable caution. > > > > ... three 9 volt batteries and a light bulb ... > ... > > > While this circuit works, the current varies with the water > > > conductivity, the condition of the > > > batteries, and the length of electrode immersed in the water, > > > making it hard to get a consistent > > > concentration of silver from batch to batch. It's also pretty hard to > > > justify paying $250 for a $5 plastic > > > box and a tenth-ounce of silver wire! > > Which is all the more reason for us to document just how easy it is > to build one, and just what it produces. That's our first, baby step > toward understanding this mess. > > > > To address these problems, I designed a circuit ... > > > > Complete article can be seen at: > > > > > > http://www.bioelectrifier.com/silver.htm > > I've got no reason to doubt that Miller's circuit works fine. My gut > tells me current limiting will indeed be an improvement. But he > doesn't give us anything that *proves* the others don't work or > produce an unsafe product, or that his own is safe, for that matter. > > Bruce writes: > > Please test and verify your information before posting it to this > > list; people who have problems and need sincere help come here; they > > don't need marketing hype which is misleading... or incorrect, as is > > much of the above! Your credibility has fallen badly... > > If every thing we say has to be tested and verified, there wouldn't > be much to talk about! <grin> > > We don't know bjs' motives for posting the information. But it's > every person's job to evaluate this info for themselves and decide if > it's relevant, accurate, and safe. We can't do anything to protect > people who won't think for themselves that wouldn't offend and limit > the options of the rest of us. > > I don't intend to allow "marketing wars" between vendors or their > adherants. On the other hand, conflicting claims are part of the > state of the industry, and we can't ignore them altogether. It would > be wise to label them as what they are, claims from a vendor, and who > they're from. That way we're alerted to remain skeptical. > > Be well, > > Mike D. > list owner > [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] > [[email protected] ] > [Speaking only for myself... ] > > -- > The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > > To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: > [email protected] -or- [email protected] > with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. > > To post, address your message to: [email protected] > > List maintainer: Mike Devour <[email protected]> > -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: [email protected] -or- [email protected] with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: [email protected] List maintainer: Mike Devour <[email protected]>
