Hey chc and list! That has *got* to be the longest subject line I've ever seen! <GRIN>
chc wrote: > <But the bulk of medical and scientific knowledge is valid, period> Please let me clarify what I was trying to say above. The "bulk of ... knowledge" I was talking about is that *huge* area of understanding that we are nearly unanimous about. If scientific knowledge is that which can be used to understand and predict nature, we've come a long way and most of it does just fine to explain how things work. I don't think we would disagree that the earth orbits the sun, or that the blood transports oxygen and carbon dioxide. Our basic understanding of physics, chemistry, physiology, and anatomy depend on *centuries* of study and analysis, and we benefit from that foundation in our own study of alternatives. If you draw a line between what we know works and what is in dispute here, you'll find more on the side of what works -- a *lot* more! > I have let go of my licenses and feel shamed to say that I was once > "one of them"! You have made a moral decision to abandon a system that you realized was corrupt. You have *not* abandoned science or medicine if we understand them to be the pursuits of truth and healing. > Until each of us stands up and acts and becomes his or her own > best doctor, there will be no healing. *THIS* is where we have to get to in this discussion. Each of us *IS* responsible for our own health and health care. Whether we choose to think for ourselves or just purchase other people's thinking is our own decision to make. Please understand that the bad things you see happening in medicine are the price we pay for allowing, or even begging government to protect us. The authority to approve, license, fund, or regulate also grants the power to disapprove, revoke, tax, and prohibit. So every agency that was created to "regulate" the industry soon became part of the behemouth that defends the industry today. > Alert! Alert! The system is not working. Ah, but be careful! One of our Scouts at summer camp this week opened up his thumb with a hatchet. The hand surgeon who sewed him back together did some amazing work, which depended on that vast amount of scientific and medical knowledge we talked about before, not to mention her individual talent and dedication. If you talk to the boy's father, as I did, he'd tell you the system worked very well, indeed. But we're far less confident of approved treatments for cancer and autoimmune diseases. And they ignore a lot about nutrition and spiritual well being. We've got a lot of folks for whom the system is failing. So this is where our battles will be. > (Taxes, more taxes, buying products that are crap; supporting > Insurance Companies who only "allow" such crap treatment; Paying > the coverage charged by these purveyors of poison; electing fraud > politicians who support and continue this greedy corporate > endeavor, at our and our loved ones expense - health!!!) So are we talking about Medicine and Science, or Politics here? Ahh, I see! > <Anyone who has mastered a significant portion of it (science & > medicine) *is* to be respected for that, at least.> > > Respected, what for???? To have gone to school and allowed > themselves to be "brainwashed" with corporate supported dogma? Many of us have asked questions that any first year med student would have been able to answer, but none of us could. Could we use the help of a few of those conventionally educated folks? Damn right! But are we going to get that help or not? It depends at least in part on each of us being willing to treat them like people and give them a chance. Hate the system all you want, but make the effort to discriminate freind from foe when it comes to the people involved. > I respect those who stand and examine all manners of truths and > follow their own instincts and remain open to all. I agree completely! > Until we take full responsibility for ourselves, our bodies, our > health we will remain....victims. Correct! > <Where we are struggling is at the vast boundaries with the > unknown. > > > Yeah isn't it great. Lets dance and revel out there. We know what > goes before us, doesn't work. Out here, "in the vast unknown" we > have no preconceived notions. It is here we will be challenged and > in this unknown out here, it is where we all will tap into our > brilliance, where no one in fear dares to go. Colorful speech! Very nice. The only caution I would give you is that a *lot* of what goes before us *DOES* work. Let's not throw out the good because of our failures. > Lets not look for others approval to validate us, our search, our > discoveries and what we know works! I agree with you. I have no desire to pursue *approval* of CS or any other alternative except by those *individuals* open minded and informed enough to look outside the mainstream. When enough people discover what works, eventually, perhaps after a great struggle, the mainstream moves. > If we make our way, peacefully and quietly soon it just is. Everyone > sees what works, no one had to be convinced. > > Was it Ghandi who said?..."be the change you want to see in the > world.." > > Let's focus on moving forward to find ways that are non-toxic, can > be self administered abd self regulated, that can help us to be well > again and allow us the grace to share our good fortune with others. Interesting and well presented philosophy. I am willing to proceed along that path as long as we have the freedom to do so. There are places and times, however, where we will fail unless we have the courage and will to resist. Helping others to see the truth about the failings of the system is good. Just remember that it is only single human beings whom we can convince to change their beliefs. Let's treat them with the respect they deserve. No more, no less. > Thanks for letting me share. Sorry to be so disagreeable tonite > Mike. No problem for me. Although I doubt we want to beat this horse any deader'n it is! <grin> Be well, Mike D. [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [[email protected] ] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: [email protected] -or- [email protected] with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: [email protected] List maintainer: Mike Devour <[email protected]>
