>Dan wrote: >I heard a guy on the radio talking about how his IONIC silver was better >than any colloidal silver.One drawback of IONIC that he did "fess up to wa s >that helpful bacteria in the gut would be wiped out.
Folks, I'm starting to get more and more confused. I need to get some straight-forward, hard science that is verifiable and repeatable with regards to the effects of CS on different bacteria. Jim Einert has been doing some testing with yogurt and has reported that good bacteria seems to thrive with CS. Upon questioning, however, he admits that he's not sure how to distinguish between good bacteria and bad bacteria. There seems to be an assumption that if the organisms come from yogurt, they must be good bacteria. Perhaps, but I'm not sure. There have been threads about CS changing bad bacteria into good bacteria. Some people (apparently Dan among them) think that CS kills good AND bad bacteria. In fact, that is why some of you believe that you need to take acidophilous when you are taking CS (acidophilous replaces good bacteria after something else wipes them out). Others believe that CS has not affected the good bacteria at all. So which is it? They can't all be right, or am I missing something. This is starting to feel like a religious discussion rather than a scientific one. Anecdotal evidence is great to help us know which things seem to work and which don't. But then we need to scientifically test our hypotheses. Those of you who feel far better on CS than off of it, or who feel it has virtually cured Lyme or one of the many other diseases that come from bacteria, add great value, while possibly taking some personal risk. Many of you feel that CS has solved significant medical problems. The bottom line, however is that we need to understand 1) under what circumstances CS seems to work, 2) what it cannot do, and 3) how it works. Science would demand of us that we take the anecdotal tests and create hypotheses (so far this list group has generated plenty of anecdotal evidence and plenty of hypotheses, so we're doing good). Then we need to rigorously test the hypotheses to see if we can prove them. Rigorous tests of the anecdotal reports should allow us to better understand CS. We need to move it into the realm of science (definable and repeatable tests that consistently show the same results). At first I thought CS was bactericidal. Then there is this debate about how it affects good and bad bacteria. Then there is the suggestion that it kills all single cell organisms, including viruses, etc. Perhaps there is no research money available for testing CS, but I can't believe that the basic principles are that hard to verify. If CS kills bacteria (even if only one kind) I should be able to take that bacteria, add CS and see it die off while seeing no change in a baseline test where the only difference was the CS. If it changes bad bacteria into good bacteria, I should be able to see a change in my test sample that makes this effect clear. If it kills bad bacteria and strengthens good bacteria, I should be able to take some of each of those and test them under rigorous conditions. Ceteris Paribas (keep everything constant and change just one variable) and all that. Do we have people on this list who have done the testing and can tell me what I need to do to reproduce the tests personally? I don't have a scientific background, but I can think and I can learn. I just need to be pointed in the right direction. What do I need in the way of a microscope to do this kind of testing? How much will I have to spend? Does anyone know? I'm frustrated because I have developed a number of friends who have Lyme (including my son) and I want to offer them something more than hope and anecdotes (although even this is helpful). My son doesn't care to take the CS. He thinks it gives him diahrrea, although he didn't have diahrrea when we slipped him the CS without telling him. I appreciate all that each of you is doing by sharing your stories and your results. Without those, there would be nothing to base a hypothesis on and therefore, nothing to test. I don't know the first thing about bacteria, except that they are small, single-cell organisms; some of them make people sick and others are beneficial. Textbook pictures of bacteria from high school are vague memories from 25 years ago. I have to believe, however, that this is not difficult stuff given the scientific advances of the past two or three decades. I believe that many (though I won't even be bold enough to say most) bacteria can be seen with a basic mid-level microscope and identified. If CS can be shown to kill some of these and not others, we have a starting point. Isn't there a biology teacher or biochemist among us who can be helpful with this? Help me out here folks. Bob Wells
Signed by : Robert Wells Signed on : 06/29/98 14:58:18 Certifier : North American Users Certifier - Flat
