Charles L. Church wrote: > > Would anyone know of the possible dangers of O3's oxidizing effect in the > negative sense? Doubtless there can be benefits from oxygenation, but being > an oxidant, and therefore a free radical, couldn't O3 damage the body, such > that it will deplete the availability of antioxidants in the body which > combat disease causing agents? I've taken the H2O2 and all it did was make me > good and sick. I've heard the Ozone is not that way, but don't know that much > about it. I'll check out the web site..... > > Charles
That is a great question and cuts to the quick of a lot of the controveresy about ozone. Read below for some info. As for H2o2, you are not alone. Alot of people have a problem with it. When you say you got good and sick from it, I suspect you were actually suffering from a detox reaction from the virus dieoff. I have not come to a firm conclusion (at least orally)on h2o2 yet myself. Although, take a peek at an article I found awhile back. bjs Re: Oxylist IS OZONE A FREE-RADICAL SCAVANGER? From: DrGAF <[email protected]> Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 01:21:42 -0800 Well guys gotta pipe in my two cents. OZONE is,has been and will continue to be the best free radical scavenger around. Now clocking twenty three or so years in the scientific/medical/naturopathic industry, never once have I used COQ10, Superoxide Dismutase,etc,etc, on and on. I have been using the Oxygen Therapies with marvelous results in cases that most natural therapists throw up their hands in disgust and give up at. In the test tube/laboratory setting Vitamins, A,E,C, etc. are "free radical scavengers" and have been found to "bind up " the oxygen present, when subjected to oxygen. In the human economy, though, Vitamin A,C,E and other commonly referred "free radical scavengers" have been show to still take up the oxygen ( for the more scientifically minded ) "has an affinity for" the oxygen". But with reasons far different than in the test tube. That is, in the site of injury, trauma,etc. several factors have been noted. Two of these factors are 1) An increase of oxygen around the trauma/injury and 2) An above normal amount of the associated "free radical scavengers" (commonly believed to be sucking up all the BAD "oxygen free radicals". In a nutshell, tests within the scientific community have shown that yes, in the test tube the FRS (free radical scavengers) will scarf up and bond to the oxygen and other free radicals. BUT, in the vibrant, living economy of the body, the FRS's are actually used by the body to gather up the oxygen and assist in the transport of the oxygen to the site of the injury. We have proven this out (personally) in our clinic, patient by patient, young and old alike. We have used doses of Homozon and related Oxygen Therapies, Ozone, etc. at doses many, many times what Dr. Blass did. With compounds literally 3-5 times the strength of Dr. Blass' material. We hear so often the hucksters selling their warez and saying "better than Homozon". but have yet to see this be the reality. Especially when testing the material in the Lab. I certainly hope that all truth is served in the promotion of Oxygen Therapies, but this much is assurred.....Dr. Blass used up to 24 tsps.per day in 2-3 week intervals with his patients, then reduced them down to a maintenance dosage. The maintenance dosage was 2-10 tsps. per day. We at the Institute have followed suit after Dr. Blass, only we have.used up to 32 tsps. in a day and the strength of the Homozon ranges 2 to 5 times greater than Dr. Blass. The patients we see are usually quite severely handicapped in one way or another by their illness and further subjection to a compound that has such seemingly borderline risks as one would seem to perceive from the conversation around here, would only serve to subject us to unneeded lawsuits and countless other hassles (if this were truly so). In al;l my years in 02 Therapy, the reason we use it is BECAUSE of the HARMLESSNESS, LACK OF TOXICITY, and EFFECTIVITY of this modality. But, again as mentioned in the last post I did....One MUST USE IT JUDICIOUSLY, not because of potential harm, merely becaused when you are working with a modality so capable and effective in it's alterative capacity, there truly is the responsibility to not RUSH Mother Nature, but ONLY assist, encourage and stimulate her in her recupperative work. We have seen in injudicious and untrained hands the administration of these highly effective modalities and the harm done was .......NIL to nonexistent. Granted in the case of OZONE, OCTOZONE and the like the "overdosage" caused some minor distress (to both patient and practitioner) and likewise with several of the other Oxygen Therapies, (mostly Homozon and Koch Therapy). But comparitively to medicine and her "overdosages"- minor, minor stuff. It suffices to to say that if oxygen radical REALLY did cause damage and destruction, the dosages we adminster and we personally take, give to our newborns,etc., should make all of them (our patients) and us (the practitioners) look at least as old as Methuselah, all wrinkled up and basketcases. But, quite the opposite is the reality. Patients who had varicosities, High Blood Pressure and Cancer and Diabetes are getting well, their varicosities are gone menses-less women are conceiving and bearing children, when it has been 6 yrs.+ without their menses! If this is called aging, it's fun! Too much of anything carries with it the weight, responsibilty and condition of "too-muchness", but in the case of Oxygen, we haven't hit the toomuch mark yet! The are many answers out there that one can hear, but the true answer proves itself. The first precept of the true physician is .....doing NOTHING, give NOTHING, say NOTHING that would cause your patient/loved one/friend etc.any harm. All the FRS (free radical scavengers, SOD, Vitamins, etc.) have the ability to cause possible overdose , in too large a dosage. I have yet to see any of our patients OD on Oxygen. Happy Oxidizing... Dr. George A. Freibott, IV. Consultant for IAOT International Asso. for Oxygen Therapies P.O. Box 1360 Priest River, ID 83856 USA. ***************************************************************** OxyFile #171 Reprinted from the ECHO Newsletter Published by: ECH2O2 Inc. P.O. Box 126 Delano, MN 55328 HYDROGEN PEROXIDE FACTS Kurt W. Donsbach, D.C., N.D., Ph.D. There have been many incorrect statements regarding the ingestion of hydrogen peroxide and now, magnesium peroxide. I would like to address these so that you as a patient will not be misled and stop using a potentially beneficial product. Myth #1 : Any of the peroxides destroy friendly bacteria in the gut and require that you reintroduce fresh bacteria constantly if you are using the peroxide on a regular basis. The proof offered was that when you put hydrogen peroxide into a yogurt culture, the resultant yogurt was weak and watery. FACTS: THE FRIENDLY BACTERIA IN THE GUT ARE AEROBIC, MEANING THEY LIVE AS AN OXYGEN-USING ORGANISM. If you want the opinion of the bible of bacteriology, check this out in Bergey's Manual of Systematic Bacteriology or Clinical Diagnosis By Laboratory Methods by Todd & Sanford. The addition of extra oxygen to the yogurt culture could have altered other factors in the milk used in the culture, rather than destroying the lactobacillus. The reference used by the writer was conspicuously lacking bacteria counts before and after the addition of the hydrogen peroxide! The truth is you help, not hinder, lactobacillus with H2O2. Myth #2 : Oral ingestion of hydrogen peroxide promotes the growth of various viruses, including what has been called the EBV virus, the HIV virus and others. FACTS : HYDROGEN PEROXIDE IS CAPABLE OF DESTROY EACH AND EVERY ONE OF THESE VIRUSES IN LABORATORY TESTS. This does not necessarily mean that the same action occurs in the body, but it is a pretty good indicator. THE MOST IMPORTANT FACT REGARDING THIS ALLEGATION IS NOT WHETHER OR NOT HYDROGEN PEROXIDE KILLS OR STIMULATES A VIRUS, BUT HOW HYDROGEN PEROXIDE IS HANDLED BY THE BODY WHEN IT IS ABSORBED FROM THE GUT, What actually occurs is that the instant hydrogen peroxide crosses the intestinal barrier and enters the blood stream, the enzyme catalase splits the compound into water and free radical oxygen. This takes one molecule of catalase for every 10,000 molecules of hydrogen peroxide and uses up about 1/10,000 of a second. In approximately another 1/10,000 of a second you will see one free radical oxygen (01) join another free radical oxygen to form stable oxyg en (02). Since this all takes approximately 1/5,000 of a second, when does the hydrogen peroxide have time to enter the circulatory channels and end up in the T cells where the HIV virus proliferates? Obviously it doesn't. THIS IS ALSO THE ANSWER TO THE CLAIM THAT FREE RADICAL OXYGEN WILL CAUSE CELLULAR DAMAGE. THE FREE RADICAL OXYGEN HAS AN EXTREMELY SHORT LIFE IN THE BLOOD STREAM ONLY AND NEVER GETS CLOSE TO CELLS ! -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: [email protected] -or- [email protected] with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: [email protected] List maintainer: Mike Devour <[email protected]>
