Tchai Mumford <[email protected]> wrote: > Good news for us - we have been asked by the South African Medical > Control Council (MCC) to meet with them to discuss CS. We don't > know yet, though, if it is for good intentions or to be arrested !
Be cautious. I'm not inclined to assume any gov't agency is going to be friendly or fair. I prefer to see the widespread dissemination of info on CS for the sole reason that people can make it locally and privately. Marketing anything without thoroughly investigating local labeling requirements, health regulations, and liability issues is too risky for my blood. > 1. We all know that CS is safe. We have taken it with great results > and no side effects. How can it be proved that CS is safe and what > could we tell the MCC if they ask the safety of CS. Well, by scientific standards we don't *know* it's safe, but there is no evidence as yet that it's harmful. Different things there. The best way to show that it is harmless is to first compare the amounts of silver consumed in typical CS use with those known to be req'd to cause argyria. (Not to mention that you need a reference that explains that argyria is the only known toxic effect of silver to begin with. This is widely assumed in the "legitimate" literature, but I don't recall a good source for it.) >From a posting by a recent visitor to the list: >>>>>begin quoted text 1) Amount of silver to cause argyria: Studies over the years vary because of the difficulty of knowing the exact dose taken, how much Ag+ is available for reaction and the exact form of the silver. It is always ionic silver - silver salts - not silver metal. There are no reports that I know of where silver metal has caused systemic argyria. (Plenty of reports of local argyria - silver earrings, silversmiths, amalgams mixed wrongly.) Latest ref is The Lancet, 351, March 28, 1998, p960. 'The minimum oral dosage necessary to cause systemic argyria has been estimated to be about 25 to 30 gm over 6 months. In our patient we calculate his silver intake to be about 55gm.' 2. FDA recommended daily doses of silver, silver in mushrooms and foods etc see Clinical Toxicology, 34(1), 119-126, 1996, Silver Products for Medical Indications: Risk-Benefit Assessment. Written by two MD's at the FDA. Good paper. 3. I stress again that when these (and other) papers say 'silver' they mean ionic silver, not metallic silver. This is assumed. >>>>>>>end quoted text Whatever you do, don't walk in there with something like *THIS* message and call it evidence! *DON'T DO IT!!* Get ye to a proper research library and *make copies* of the actual Lancet and Clinical Toxicology articles. The *next* step is to address the issue of excretion. I'm afraid I have no scientific references on that. There was one posting by a list member and CS user that had an analysis made of his feces for other reasons, that showed 300 times the "normal" level of silver. It suggested a rate of excretion commensurate with his intake. I'll re-post that in a followup message. Combine the low overall rates of consumption with an approximate rate of excretion and you'll have a *reasonable* idea of your risk. But THERE ARE NO GUARANTEES! Everyone is still called upon to make this judgement for themselves. > 2. Where can we find success stories that we can show or "prove" > the workability of the product ? Is there an archive of success > stories ? I'm sure people have a few saved up and can mail them to you or post them to the list. > 3. I see that most of the list agrees that 5ppm is the most optimum > CS to take... Not really. Folk use everything from a few ppm to a few tens of ppm. A few preparations claim to be hundreds of ppm, but we have had some feedback to suggest that some of them at least are not as potent as claimed. > ... the greater the ppm, the larger the particle size. Again, not really. Particle size is determined by production conditions, especially current density. If you maintain proper conditions you can get higher concentrations with consistent size. In the simplest generators, as concentration goes up the current goes up in an uncontrolled fashion, *causing* larger particles to be produced. So in a sense what you said is true, but particle size is not determined by concentration, but by other features of the production method. > What is the optimum particle size? We have constantly been told that .001 to .015 microns is the range of the "best" size for CS particles. I don't have any references for that outside the myriad repetitions of the same claim all over the web. > 4. What is the benefit of higher ppm CS - there have been some who > have taken 200ppm. Is this used for more vicious diseases (AIDS, > Cancer, etc) and would the particle size be the same ? See my answer to your # 3 above and your # 7 below. > 5. Are there any limitations on the amount and duration one can > consume of CS ? Unknown by me. > 6. What is the best method of filtering CS - we use coffee > filters (2 together) which reduces the ppm. we have heard that > ceramic filers are the best. If so, what filter size is best ? No comment... > 7. This is one question i'd really appreciate someone to explain in > detail - What is PPM ? I understand that it is "parts per million". > If we produce, for example, 5ppm CS and we take 5ml, is this the > same as taking 25 mcg silver ? Then, we presume, if we take 10ml, > it is still 5ppm CS, but a total of 50mcg Silver ? From this, can > we assume that it would be better to double the volume (ml) instead > of trying to double the ppm ? Okay, you scared me there! If you have to ask "What is PPM" I was afraid you are in *waaay* over your head. <GRIN> But your explanation above is correct and reaches the proper conclusion. Parts per million as it is used here is the same as milligrams of silver per liter of preparation, or micrograms per milliliter. (Or should that be litre and millilitre for you?! <G>) Generally, I have always assumed that taking more of a lower ppm preparation will be reasonably akin to taking less of a higher ppm, all other things being equal. Another consideration is to normalize dose rate to micrograms per day per kilogram of body mass. <Ooooh! I have a headache!> <grin> > 8. Are there any really good books on CS that have current > information on production, etc. I have purchased a copy of Dr > Beck's manual on CS - is this a reliable source (with due respect). I haven't done much actual reading on CS outside the web and this list. There are a few that others will bring up, I hope. > 9. Please explain the difference between a bacteria & a virus. Ouch! You'd better glom onto a basic biology text and brush up. If you don't know this, you probably *are* in over your head. >From Funk and Wagnall's New Encyclopedia, 1986, Volume 3, page 185: "Bacteria [are a] large group of microscopic, unicellular organisms that lack a distinct nucleus and that usually reproduce by cell division. ..." >From the same source, Volume 27, page 91: "Viruses are submicroscopic intracellular parasites that consist of either RNA or ... DNA -- never both -- plus a protective coat of protein or of protein combined with lipid or carbohydrate components. ... Viruses are the smallest entities that can replicate, but they are obligate intracellular parasites; that is, their replication can take place only in actively metabolizing cells. Outside of living cells, viruses exist as inert macromolecules." Everybody claims that CS kills viruses, but many people here have demonstrated that it won't stop a cold once it gets going, for instance, though it'll keep you from getting a secondary bacterial infection on top of it and it *seems* to knock one out if you catch it early. More bacteria seem to be vulnerable to CS, though there are apparently a few strains that are resistant, according to some references that I've seen but don't have access to right now. > Your comments, once again, will be greatly > appreciated. Thanks and regards Tchai Mumford email : > [email protected] Tel : +27 83 400 1177 Fax : +27 11 791 3625 In general, Tchai, CS has proven useful against a *lot* of things. More than enough to make it worth studying. However, there is no great body of "respectable" scientific research by major institutions as there is for nearly *any* mainstream approved treatment. Without knowing the agenda of the agency you are going to be dealing with I cannot say how you should proceed. The best I would hope for is to show that CS is not known to be harmful as it is presently made and used and to show anecdotal evidence that it helps with some things and may be useful just as a mineral supplement. They may demand that you abide by labeling restrictions, or they may require all sorts of controls on manufacture and packaging for purity and cleanliness. Or they may just want to keep you from competing with the local pharmaceutical companies, in which case you will be able to do almost nothing. When you consider the *extensive* testing that is required here in the US for approval of anything even remotely "medical", I would hesitate to approach anything that calls itself a "Medical Control Council" with optimism. Nobody is prepared to prove much of anything to those kinds of standards. If your country does not have as strict standards, or has rules similar to ours that allow marketing with proper (though possibly onerous) labling restrictions, you might get lucky. 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