Give it a try.
I "think" you'll find it to be a mechanical compaction of silver
hydroxide and metallic silver rather than a suspended "grown" crystal.
I also think that the reason that H2O2 breaks these structures apart is
that they form around a silver oxide particle that's the same oxide that
forms on the blackening electrode as a nucleus and H2O2 destroys that form
of silver oxide fast.
Dip a blackened electrode in H2O2 and watch...for your proof.
Also, that when you see that "golden mist" drifting off that electrode,
yellow CS/EIS is much more prevalent then colorless, as a result.
Dropping the current, keeps *most* of that mist on the electrode, vs in the
water.
And crystals can grow with a lattice structure that includes both silver
hydroxide and metallic silver.
Premise: The yellow color is not "just" about particle size, but due to
oxides making a nucleus for crystals to grow bigger on, as saturation
limits are exceeded in localized high concentration zones [no stirring or
high current saturating the diffusion layer] and eventually throughout with
very high over all concentrations over around 30 uS. [with stirring and low
current]
..that the yellow color is "partly" a pigment and not entirely light
scattering effect from particle size alone.
..that a crystal nucleus may influence the *shape* of a crystal and it's
surface characteristics that can affect the wavelengths of light it will
refract [ reflect?..re-emit? ], hence, different contaminants can produce
crystal shapes that display various colors by changing the shape of the
oxide nucleus. [Crystal patterning, such as with snow flakes and ice..the
mis-leadingly named "water crystals" ]
..and that particle size being solely responsible for color only applies to
pure metallic crystal sturctures acting as mirrors that reflect a
*preferred* color, hence, sometimes you'll get a batch that looks slightly
yellow tinted only when yellow is near by, but looks colorless in full
spectrum light.
..could be wrong, but the concept seems to unify the various observable
phenomenon.
Ode
At 09:09 AM 10/22/2007 -0500, you wrote:
I've been wondering for a while whether we couldn't just mix all the
buildup on the electrodes back into the solution and then just give it a
big shot of H2O2 to break it all back up. Should end up with a pretty
high ppm CS brew.
Dan
You wrote:
" If the EIS colloid portion does agglomerate into those larger
particles, a touch of Hydrogen Peroxide will generally break them back
up into the smaller colorless variety...even at 100 PPM.
The density of the particles in the water will then usually make it
look light grey in direct sunlight and show a very heavy thick laser
beam. [It may still appear "clear" in indirect light but look "milky" in
direct light. ]"
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From: Ode Coyote [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Monday, October 22, 2007 5:51 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: CS>silver production: ionic vs. colloidal
What we are making is termed "EIS" [electricially isolated silver ]
as an attempt to avoid confusion.
EIS is a MIXTURE of both "dissolved" ionic and "suspended colloidal"
particulate silver.
Every generator that uses electricity and water makes Ionic Silver...
and nothing but.
There are no exceptions.
But, some portion of that Ionic silver will convert into a particulate
colloid AFTER it is made, the size of which mostly depend on process
control and water purity.
Small particles don't display a color, but do show up in a visible light
laser beam.
It may also contain a colloid portion of particles that are too small to
re-transmit visible wavelengths of light.
If many those particles agglomerate into larger particles, that's when
they display a yellow, violet, green or red color depending on how
large.
The majority portion of "EIS" is generally ionic......silver, dissolved
in the water vs suspended..... the only difference being that ionic
silver lacks an electron an has an Ionic charge, making each incomplete
atom strongly repel the others.
It's silver "retention" that causes Agyria, generally due to an
abnormally functioning metallo protein system in the body and *simply
too much silver intake over too short a period of time* It is very rare
at ANY intake rate and virtually impossible at 20 PPM and under using
silver in any form, because... at and under 20 PPM the water intake rate
will surely kill you before you can accumulate too much silver over any
period of time.
It is difficult to make EIS at over 20-30 PPM that looks like you'd want
to drink it and the Ionic portion will never exceed 30 PPM for
long...will convert to colloid...and that colloid will usually display a
prominent and distinct color from a larger particle size due to
agglomeration [but not always ]
Color has nothing, at all, to do with PPM. It can be made yellow at 5
PPM or colorless at 25. [and even more ]
"Colorless" EIS [as distinguished from "clear" ] appears to be clear in
indirect light, but shows the colloid portion under direct light such as
the sun , a strong flashlight or a laser light. [Tyndall effect]
It can be made colorless up to 100 PPM but is very unlikely to be stable
and not develop a color later at over 30 PPM.
The stronger it's made, the less likely it will stay colorless,
depending on water purity and other factors such as current density
[affecting local zone ion saturation limits] with an average high
threshold of stability of around 20-25 PPM.
If the EIS colloid portion does agglomerate into those larger particles,
a touch of Hydrogen Peroxide will generally break them back up into the
smaller colorless variety...even at 100 PPM.
The density of the particles in the water will then usually make it
look light grey in direct sunlight and show a very heavy thick laser
beam. [It may still appear "clear" in indirect light but look "milky" in
direct light. ]
Ions have a *solubility limit* in water that, when exceeded, will turn
most of those excess Ions into colloidal particles over some period of
time.
The sizes of all the particles are never just one size, they cover
ranges of sizes with same ranges dominant...so, even if it's red, there
are still small colorless particles in there, and Ions.
If the particles are too big to make it through the bodies osmosis
filters [membranes ], they can't get stuck, because they never made into
a place to get stuck in. [They'll pass right on through, mostly doing
nothing, for
-or- to you. ]
The colloidal particles consist of differing concentrations and ratios
of pure metallic silver, silver hydroxide and silver oxides.
If the majority is metallic silver, the water may tend to "reflect" room
colors, vs emit a complementary color, mostly yellow and less often
green, but will lose that apparent tint under full spectrum light.
Ode
At 10:07 AM 10/20/2007 -0400, you wrote:
>I had given my daughter some cs and she was asking why it was clear
>because I guess my son in law googled it and read the following:
>
>Companies that sell ionic silver claim that their product is "true
>colloidal silver" in an attempt to confuse the buyer. Do not be fooled.
>If the product is clear, then it is ionic silver, not a true silver
colloid.
>Colloidal particles, when present in sufficient concentration, absorb
>visible light causing the colloid to exhibit an "apparent color". The
>apparent color is the complement of the absorbed wavelength. Silver
>ions do not absorb visible light and therefore appear as clear
colorless liquids.
>
>My silver I am producing with the silverpuppy is clear. Grant you I am
>usually only producing 5ppm. I have some on now that I intend to go to
>10ppm so I can do the eye treatment. I told my daughter that I thought
>it had to be higher ppm's to show yellow. Am I right? I also was
>under the impression that ionic silver is the culprit causing argyria.
>I could well have this all mixed up but would like to know more.
>
>Dianne
>
>
>
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