On 10/27/2007, Ode Coyote ([email protected]) wrote:
It was created because no one was doing *any* job.

That was the *excuse* provided... but it was a MANUFACTURED one.

It isn't the Federal Governments JOB to police the food supply. If you
disagree, please point to the Article:Section:Clause in the Constitution
that delegates this authority.

And please don't waste my time yammering about 'the general welfare'
clause - it ISN'T a delegation of authority, and has no meaning, except
for power-hungry mad-men and gullible fools...

No, it isn't perfect, nothing is perfect.

It isn't that the FDA system is imperfect... it works in the exact
OPPOSITE role that it was sold to the gullible American public.

Yes, the system does need an overhaul.

No, it needs to be scrapped, and we need to return to a system where
people are responsible for their own actions, decisions and choices.

Who pays for that overhaul?

The only cost would be for the investigations and criminal
prosecutions... negligible, when compared to what the system is costing
us today, and this would only be for a year or two until the
prosecutions and executions were carried out.

? HOW, should it be changed?

1. Abolish the Agency and all related offices and functions,

2. Initiate UNBIASED investigations into the criminal collusion and
conspiracy between FDA principals and the Pharmaceutical/Medical Industry,

3. File appropriate criminal charges once the criminal relationships and
acts have been well defined.

4. Execute the guilty. If you supported the execution of Saddam Hussein,
you should support the execution of those responsible for the suffering
and sometimes lingering deaths of millions of people.

The evidence is in plain sight, so this really wouldn't be hard to do.

We piss and moan, but don't want the responsibility of paying up and being in charge.

YOU may piss and moan... I certainly don't. All I want is for these
bastards to get the hell out of my life and allow me to live it the way
I want to. If I want to buy raw milk from a farmer, who the hell are
THEY - or YOU - to tell me I can't?

If we DID fund them enough to protect us ....absolutely, as we demand....we'd all starve.
Inspect every leaf, every hunk of meat?  Nothing left to eat.

I agree... and their 'rules' (like pasteurization of milk) in reality
accomplish the very OPPOSITE of what they intended - they allow milk
producers to be as lax as they want when it comes to cleanliness of
their equipment and methods, because all they have to do is pasteurize
the milk, and they think that is good enough. It is a JOKE.

GE:
Mitochondria DNA tracing along with some interpretations of history strongly suggests that virtually all of our farm crops and domestic animals...and we ourselves, were genetically engineered...and we are, and they are, of course, "perfect".

Do you really want to bring Zacharia Sitchin and his writings into this
argument?

No one is allergic to sheep, or peanuts, or corn, or wheat, or ......
How many versions of human just plain "failed"?

Strawman from a strawman.

Telling everyone else they are wrong, is, doing nothing.
Congratulations, you have succeeded. [in wasting valuable intelligence and effort on nothing ]

Only if you ass-u-me that I want to 'replace' it with something. I do
not. As I have repeatedly stated - I WANT THEM - AND YOU - TO LEAVE ME
THE F**K ALONE AND LET ME BE RESPONSIBLE FOR MY OWN LIFE.

We have Governments to control us because we don't control ourselves,

True for many, but certainly not applicable to me or my friends (I'm
not friends with people who are part of the problem). And no, I don't
'respect the viewpoints' of those who would see everyone in chains, just
because they are deathly afraid of a germ so tiny they cannot see it.

I do not respect the opinions and viewpoints of criminals, when those
opinions and viewpoints include concepts that they own my life or any
part of it.

then whine when they do...and whine when they don't.

Speak for yourself, Ode-to-big-brother. I DO control myself - though
sometimes I tend to lose it when someone tries to tell me that they have
a Right to my life, or even a small part of it...

Yes, it is a bit more than a touch ignorant. It's a representative government. They all are. Even the totalitarian ones.

Sorry, you must have me confused with someone who believes your rants.

Even Monsanto can't survive without the buyers consent and participation.

Consent and participation based on lies, deceit, fraud and extortion.

If they were not allowed to get away with all of the marketing LIES, and
then protected by their servants (government thugs) when people like me
try to point this out - and then defended by people like YOU who are too
smart for their own good and think they know what they are talking
about, then most people would NOT buy their garbage.

But I do agree that, to an extent, 'the majority' are responsible for
this problem. One of the things that is SUPPOSED to be great about this
nation is that the MAJORITY (ie, those afraid of teeny-weeny-nasty-evil
germs) are not supposed to be able to tyrannize the MINORITY (those who
are not).

Monsanto is "people" who eat the unlabeled foods they engineer.

I'll virtually guarantee you that that is a LIE. The ones that KNOW what
it is they are selling do not, unless they are insane.

Those are not "different" people.
 They have children and relatives too.
 They are self interested like everyone else.
They see and suffer the cost just like everyone else, but also have a birds eye view of benefit that no one wants to look at.

If you really believe this Ode, then you are so far down the rabbit
hole there probably is no way back for you... my sympathies...

If you have a better idea, implement it.

People like you won't let me - because I would replace it with - NOTHING
- which would remove YOUR ability to control my life...

If it IS a better idea, it will catch on.

Riiiiiiiight - if you truly believe that the best idea always wins just
because it is the best idea - sad, truly sad...

Examples:

Alcohol vs oil (for fuel)
Hemp vs petroleum, etc (source of alcohol, economic miracle for farmers)
Betamax vs VHS

To name just a few...

A real winner doesn't have to make everything else out to be a loser.
That's what losers do to make themselves out to *look like* winners.
I can't, because "they" won't?  Loser!!

Sounds like the argument YOU are making every time you open your mouth
and speak to this subject.

Nowhere have I suggested anyone else is a 'loser'. All I have done is:

1. State that people who advocate violent control over others (ie, using
the barrel of a gun to enforce it) are criminals, and should be treated
as such.

There are just no absolutes on planet Earth.

Sure there are, and I can think of two off the top of my head:

1. Most people will voluntarily choose slavery over true liberty, given
the choice, and

2. There will always be those who will strive to take advantage of point
# 1.

Only an idiot believes he can make idiots smarter by yelling "stupid" at them. [ And only an idiot would listen to them yell. ]

Since you apparently believe that I'm an idiot, and are (in essence)
yelling 'stupid' at me... I'll let your point above speak for itself.

 Help me, help me!  ...No, not like that!
How then?
 If I knew that, I wouldn't have hired you to tell me.

I never hired anyone. I never asked for anyone's help.

All you can do is create these false dichotomies and strawmen that you
can then turn around and debunk. Arguing the actual problem would be
impossible for you, because your brain is incapable of wrapping itself
around the truth - that you have been lied to all of your life, and the
substance of that lie is so huge, that to admit to it would be to admit
that you fell for it. Your ego just won't tolerate it.

I know. I had to go through just that process about 15 years ago. It was
painful - but exhilarating at the same time. I suggest you try it.

 I've met a lot of people with a "saviour complex".

Another strawman?

All they know is how to put others down and any "plan" they may have is so full of holes, it won't even hold boulders.

Yup, another strawman... you can't be talking about me, since I don't
have a plan - save for you and your ilk to leave me alone.

 There is no "they" and "them" is, us, denying our own identity.
....and the responsibility that having an identity entails, along with the "true" power it gives.

To suggest that those few who actually are awake, and know what is
really going on in this world, are actually responsible for the
situation, rather than those who really are - the 'masses' - the
'majority', who believe that they know what is best for ALL of us, and
that they have the Right to FORCE the rest of us, at gunpoint, to
'participate' - well, to put it simply, it is madness - but hey, when
the rest of the world is mad, the sane man is the one who is called insane.

Defending your precious system, just to avoid coming face to face with
the reality that you fell for the big lie, and have wasted your life -
and indeed, been part of the PROBLEM - all this time... what would you
call that?



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