Thank you Shiona. This is very informative, and it's great to hear that I was doing the right thing all along. Now I only regret that there were long periods where I didn't take the Concentrace.
Now to find out about colloidal silver... Mark -----Original Message----- From: Shiona Phillips [mailto:hyasy...@freenetname.co.uk] Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2008 5:21 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CS>Ionic minerals Mark Fletcher wrote: > If this question is off-topic for this list, please let me know (I'm a > newbie). > I was wondering what the general consensus is here about ionic mineral > supplements. Are they useful? I have been taking Concentrace on and > off for 15 years. I don't feel any more or less nourished when I take > it or go without it. > Mark Hi Mark, Last year Concentrace was discussed and it appears that several on the list have tried this product and feel that it benefits them. I've included a post by Terry which was very informative and also one from myself which illustrates the differences between seawater products and "transdermal magnesium chloride oil", which has also been a subject of discussion here. Magnesium is the main ingredient in Concentrace and apparently is an extremely beneficial supplement that is particularly effective if applied "transdermally" to the skin - in baths or with a body spray. Niagri (de-hydrated seawater used as the basis for making Tofu) has recently been suggested as a cheaper substitute for transdermal magnesium chloride oil, however it appears that Niagri, due to it's having been de-hydrated, does not contain such a high concentration of magnesium chloride as the transdermal oil products. However it is a cheaper alternative and therefore maybe it might also be a cheaper alternative to Concentrace as a general mineral supplement? Quote: "According to Quinton, which sells injectable Hypertonic and Isotonic sea water medical products (approximately $56 per liter and 224 dollars per gallon) sea water which has been subjected to evaporation, and then to subsequent reconstitution from the resulting dry residue, does not display the same living qualities as seawater products that are not dried. This would apply to Nagari magnesium products that are sold for making tofu." Shiona Dee said, > At one time I used to buy the so-called colloidal minerals from Joel Wallach and others. I then read that these were no good because they are not bio available in that form, so I started taking Concentrace. I can't remember why I stopped taking it but can you tell me why it is better than the colloidal minerals mentioned? < The source of Wallachs minerals is from a huge deposit found in Utah, I believe. On one side of a small mountain is where they are mined. On the other side is the mining location owned by the Clark family. I suspect they are digging these minerals from two sides of the same huge deposit. The form of minerals they are extracting from the ground is called humic shale. It is believed to be the remains of dinosaurs, trees, plants, etc., that were buried in earthquake crevasses or sucked into tar ponds, etc. In other words, the mineral levels and proportions would be what you would find in a living organism. The minerals have turned pretty much into rock again (fossilized), but, when ground up into powder and then suspended in liquid, they make a comprehensive source of minerals. Although some folks claim that these are not the type of minerals our bodies need (being essentially rock), there is enough positive evidence to support using them as a possible mineral supplement (especially if you cannot get Concetrace). Concentrace comes from the Great Salt Lake, also in Utah. The Great Salt Lake is actually a small ocean, according to the scientists. It is distinctive in that water flows into this ocean (lakes, streams), but no water flows out. It does not overflow because the heat in Utah causes the water to constantly evaporate. The evaporation causes the water to leave, but the minerals in the water to remain (Natures distillation). The water in the Lake is so concentrated with minerals that, if you were to wade out into the water as far as you could go, you would only sink in up to your waste. The water is actually "thick" with minerals. The minerals come from various plant matter that washes down from surrounding vegetation, as well as soil minerals. People travel from all over the world to bathe in the Great Salt Lake. What impressed me about Concentrace (apart from the much cheaper price), was that the minerals in it are dissolved minerals, rather than suspended. The Wallach (and Clark) stuff is artificially suspended, and will fall out of suspension (you need to shake the bottle). Concentrace has an infinite shelf life. Plus, the Clark/Wallach stuff is mixed with flavorings and sweeteners, which I do not personally want. Just give me the minerals, please. Concentrace has every mineral the body needs, over 100, and these minerals are in the nearly identical proportions to each other as is found in healthy human blood plasma. Humic shale has about 80 minerals. The term, bio-available, refers to how easy to assimilate a substance is. The minerals found in the ground, being metallic, must be converted by our bodies to a form our bodies can use before they are assimilated and utilized by our bodies. Plants do the converting for us, by changing the minerals into what is called a mineral salt (what we call *organic*). Organic minerals are much more bio-available than metallic minerals. Dr. Wallach claims his minerals are organic (because they used to be animals millions of years ago), and that they are colloidal (because they have been suspended in liquid). Hmmm. Having said this, we all know (and Wallach points out) that those folks in Tibet - the Hunzas? - have amazing health and longevity. Their water flows down from a mountain, and the water is cloudy with minerals. These would be primarily metallic minerals, yet the Hunzas obviously are benefiting from them. Why could we not also benefit? We could, and many folks who take the minerals Wallach sells so testify. But the difference between the Hunzas and North Americans is that the Hunzas live in bodies that, because of abounding good health, are much better able to convert the metallic minerals they ingest into organic minerals their bodies can utilize. In other words, they have much, much better digestive systems than we do. I, on the other hand, do not. So, for me, to be able to find a comprehensive source of minerals that are much easier to assimilate (and much cheaper to buy) is a Godsend. I have taken large amounts of humic shale-type minerals in the past, from several different vendors, but could discern no benefit or affect on myself. But most of my clients tell me that they experience a tangible difference within 24 hours of taking Concentrace (usually improved digestion/elimination). One woman with four kids buys it by the gallon from me and sneaks it into everything she can in their diet. She is absolutely convinced that she and her kids have much better health because of it. An 8-oz/240 ml bottle is a 3-month supply for one person, costing $30 from me, less if you find a HF store that carries it. A 3-month supply of the Wallach stuff will cost you at least $60, plus shipping. Terry Chamberlin ********************************************************** Teri Johnston wrote: > At 05:20 PM 9/29/2007, you wrote: > >> Since Concentrace feels oily and both magnesium and chloride are >> listed as present, can I assume that this product is mostly magnesium >> oil??? tia pj Anybody know for sure, for sure??? > > > > Shirley, > > I have concentrace here along with the Magnesium oil and yes they do > feel similar. But the Magnesium Oil does not list all contents? But > that said I see many of the same things listed on both products. My > guess is they are very similar but one is for internal use and the > other for skin use?? > > Hoping someone else will answer what is now both of our question? Hi, There certainly does appear to be a big similarity between the products as both derive from seawater brine. (BTW I've been taking Concentrace for a few months now and have definately noticed the effects showing by the improvement in my fingernails which are much stronger than before). Here's how Dr Sircus's website describes the seawater Magnesium Oil product that he recommends. http://www.magnesiumforlife.com/productinformation.shtml Product Information The International Medical Veritas Association highly recommends that magnesium chloride be taken in the most natural form available. In keeping with this recommendation, we have found that magnesium chloride taken from the ocean is superior to manufactured magnesium chloride. The manufacturing processes, which yields a crystal or powdered product, usually involves the use of hydrochloric acid. The reasons for a preference for natural sources for magnesium chloride are abundant but the most essential reasons are as follows: . The Magnesium Oil we will refer you to is considerably less toxic in terms of heavy metals than industrial fabricated products. . The magnesium oil that we will refer you to is considerably more concentrated than all the other products we have investigated. There is approximately twice as much elemental magnesium as in magnesium oils that are created from magnesium chloride powder or crystal, thus making the products we recommend more cost effective and more therapeutically active. . Magnesium products from the ocean have certain properties that cannot be replicated in a manufacturing process. The Sea has all ninety two known minerals, and in the exact proportion to human blood. One of Hawaii's fastest-growing exports is seawater. Super-cold water sucked up from thousands of feet below the Pacific Ocean's surface is being marketed as healthy, pure, mineral-rich drinking water. Japanese consumers are paying top dollar for desalinated Hawaiian deep-sea water being marketed as a dietary supplement that aids weight loss, stress reduction, skin tone and digestion. A two-ounce bottle of Hawaii Deep Marine's Kona Nigari seawater mineral concentrate (to mix with regular water) sell for $33.50 ($2,144 a gallon) reported USA Today.[i] And 1.5 liter bottles of desalinated seawater sells for between $4 to $6 each in Japan and Korea. . According to Quinton, which sells injectable Hypertonic and Isotonic sea water medical products (approximately $56 per liter and 224 dollars per gallon) sea water which has been subjected to evaporation, and then to subsequent reconstitution from the resulting dry residue, does not display the same living qualities as seawater products that are not dried. This would apply to Nagari magnesium products that are sold for making tofu. . In general the above seawater products are not concentrates of magnesium chloride but offer a full balance of minerals and trace elements. The Magnesium Oil the IMVA recommends is between 30-35% magnesium chloride by weight. The magnesium in this magnesium "oil" (there is no oil but magnesium chloride at this concentration yields an oily feel to the product) is not Magnesium Chloride hexahydrate (MgCl2-6H20) mixed with distilled water. In each gallon there are four pounds of completely natural magnesium chloride (6H20 not included) which means there are 3319 milligrams of elemental magnesium in each ounce and approximately 18 milligrams in each spray. The International Medical Veritas Association recommends this natural form of Magnesium Oil because of its strength, purity, price and versatility of use. (It can be used as a mouthwash, for sports and sport injuries and even as a beauty aid for the skin and hair.) Please contact us for more information on sources and prices. The International Medical Veritas Association can make this available to you at significantly discounted and affordable prices. Send your inquiries to: direc...@imva.info Shiona -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour <mdev...@eskimo.com>
