Ode, I don't agree that drugs and herbs are identical in active ingredients. Don't they take one or two ingredients from a herb and reproduce it chemically? So it's not the same as a whole herb. Herbs can work in ways synergistically. They may carry some protective elements as well. The body may not use them exactly the same way. Man made drugs always carry toxicity. Herbs do not. Yes, there are poisonous herbs, but I am not referring to them. And there may be some that have some type of toxin as an ingredient. In general the risks are vastly increased on the side of chemically produced synthetic drugs.
As far as alternative people being less discriminating. When you blindly follow a treatment that you know is not working, then you do not have the light bulb switched on. You are not doing any thinking. You are relying on someone else to make the medical decisions for you. I have never seen a well person taking shopping bags full of drugs. I do see a lot of healthy and recovering people using supplements. Compare deaths and injury by pharma and supplements. In the case of supplements, no one is complaining except the drug companies. One of the things that I have found with alternative health is that it is a vastly more open system. It is much easier to find answers with an open mind than a closed one. I don't think alternative folks are rioting. Paula ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ode Coyote" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, January 28, 2008 9:28 AM Subject: Re: CS> Cold and hard > > > > > > >That statement makes no sense to me. Drugs are synthetic man made chemicals > >that always carry some level of toxicity that is not found in natural > >products and supplements. Risk factors are thousands fold on the side of > >drugs, including those sold over the counter. Saying you want MORE > >regulation, government restrictions, and control of health options and > >products. Unbelievable! > > ## Untrue. > Most of the Pharmaceuticals are identical to the active ingredients in > natural herbs, some not and more and more are being custom designed to do a > specific job as the art of bio-chemistry develops. > Many many of them were first derivatives and purified essences and many > still are. There are entire farm industries that supply feed stock, vats > and vats of fungi and algae. > The issue is just not black and white as natural substances quite often > have really nasty toxins along with the beneficial substances and part of > THAT healing art is about processing the herbs to limit them. > > > > >I don't think most people see Pharm and the FDA as evil. I think they > >mindlessly worship at their alter. They don't seek out alternatives because > >they have been taught that they really don't work by the massive marketing > >and propaganda networks. Blind trust, unexamined. > > ## Exactly, "Believers" > Dut there's babies in the other bath water too. > The "rant" is about anti-believers which are believers as well, but even > less discriminating and even more prone to absorbing propaganda as fact. > > > > > > > OK, go right ahead and finance the Devil in hopes you won't meet God. > > > >Nope. Don't do legal drugs, illegal drugs, or over the counter drugs. I do > >use Armour (natural) only because most of my thyroid was removed years ago. > >That was before I knew about natural medicine. > > > > > I don't think either one of them cares about smoke and noise. > > > The only thing that counts for anything at all, is what you DO. > > > The whole point of these rantings is to point out that Blame doesn't > > > control anything, but it does hold you helpless to take action. > > > Blame is nothing less than *power of*, given away. > > > >Power is only given away when you allow yourself to be silenced by fear. > > ## Blowing hate smoke is an anti-silence that does the same thing, but > gives one the impression that work is being done. > It doesn't rely on any real information, just knee jerks and even worse > propaganda that reasonable people try to ignore and eventually rally up the > police as it heads for mindless riots. > > >Constructive criticism is necessary to any democracy. When we are silenced > >by fear and fear tactics and propaganda we are no longer a democracy and we > >no longer can claim any liberty. > > ## I haven't seen anyone silenced... discounted, yes...because they have > no foundation...no better idea that will hold water...only "BAD bucket / > shoot holes in it". > Propaganda doesn't silence anyone, it distracts them. When both sides are > having propaganda wars, the real problem falls out of sight. If no one can > find the problem, there cannot be a solution. > > >Nor, are we perhaps due any. > >Helplessness is actually "inaction" based on fear. Expressing power is > >actually speaking your own truth and valuing your own ideas, while working > >toward the general good with integrity.. > > > ## There ya go, Integrity is the key. Where is it? > It isn't in the street in the pockets of crowds yelling "Kill the Devil" > Real knowledge is studious quiet hard work and that's what it takes to make > any real changes. > Studious hard work is what is being fought with mindless chaos that has > little BUT propaganda behind it....like fighting fear with an even greater > fear...fighting a perceived ignorance with an ever greater ignorance. > It's easy to kick somebody over, but then what? You just get a new > somebody to kick over that can't stand up as well. > "Alt med" has it's scientists hard at work, but the rioters just serve to > DISCOUNT their work giving an excuse to ignore the whole thing as > "poppycock of the ignorant masses" > It is , in fact, gaining ground in SPITE of the self defeating behaviors, > but would do so faster if it were quieter so as not to give the > "opposition" all that warning and ammunition to use as anti propaganda > propaganda. > All they have to do is point to a mob and ask..."So, who is crazy?" > ...and all the meat boils right off the bones. > "We have proven ourselves right", beats "You are just wrong but we have no > clue about what right is"...every time. > > Right now there is an "Organic Revolution" taking place. "Sellers" sell > you anything you will buy, that's what sellers do and they don't care what > it is. > So now, as Organics are becoming a viable science that can compete in the > market place, they are in fact soaking up market share and more and more > hard working people are jumping on the bandwagon. > The buyers dollar voted that one in just because the perception is that > of a better idea with some meat on its bones..not just smoke and noise > about GM foods. [some of which may well BE better, but we don't know which, > yet, so ALL of it gets tossed into the screamers bin, while ignoring the > great possibility that virtually ALL of our farm crops and domestic animals > were once engineered. ] > On that note: There are those that will say that God made those crops and > animals and God doesn't make mistakes. Well, look around, mistakes > abound. Maybe, "this" is experimental??? > We have NO idea how many of our ancestors died out from severe allergies > when that little bit of grass magically became corn, but it's not too hard > to see mass starvation had it not. > In every society that has corn as it's main staple, they say the "gods" > gave that to us. That could very well be an entirely accurate statement as > no one has been able to back breed corn and it cannot survive in the wild > as it is, even in the least of the hybrids. > > > >I don't plan on living forever. Just trying to stay healthier. Actually, I > >am paying a lot for other people's healthcare since I do not make much use > >of my insurance. > > > ## Same here. > I never planned on living past 30, it's all gravy.....and becoming more and > more tiresome. > I'm getting to the point of welcoming the Tigers jaws and just hoping it as > very sharp teeth. > It would be interesting to see if those who fear death the most, don't also > suffer the longest. > So what is it that the "Medical Industry" is selling us, but our own denial > of our own fear? > > > > > > > Bottom line: Like it or not, YOU choose, who to pay, for what. > > > No matter how far the buck gets passed, it's still your buck. > > > >Yep, and I want to keep it that way. > > ## Like wise > > > > > > > You think you have no power! > > > >Is that a projection of your own feelings? I have said nothing to indicate > >that I feel powerless. I would be powerless if I allowed myself to be > >intimidated and believed your projections. > > ## A statement to a generalized target. Obviously not everyone is > powerless, but those folks aren't LOUD. > They spend their time actually doing something...sneaky bastards. > > > > > But > > > NONE of them can stay in your business without you. > > > "They" CANNOT charge any more than you are willing to pay... NONE of > >"them". > > > >Oh, but they can and do. I'm NOT buying. > > ## You disqualified yourself from the victim category by exercising your > power...then you turned around and defended those who didn't. > YOUR power , *used*, is justified, but theirs isn't? > > > > The rest of your comments appeared > >to be yet more projections of what you think. lt's about you Ode. It's what > >you are telling yourself. You talk about freedom and then say you WANT more > >regulation and restrictions placed on YOUR health options. Get a grip. You > >are describing your own thoughts and fears. What are you afraid of? It's > >almost like you are talking about out of body experience. Is that what you > >are referring to? Are you having one? > Paula > > ## Didn't I say that I'm not against a free-for-all? > But THAT would make everyone responsible for their own lack of knowledge > with no one to blame. > It's also a propaganda free-for-all with "most" people unaware that anti > propaganda is the same danged thing as the propaganda. > The opposite of bad is easily, much worse. > "Better" takes a Heck of a lot of effort and that's how this 'Bad' got as > far as it has. > > It takes almost NO effort to tear something down. > Yes, it IS time to re-think a whole lot of stuff, but not thinking at > all... won't do that. > Substituting this pie in the sky with that one, won't work better. > "Act" beats "re-act"..but it's a lot harder to do and "actors" don't have > time for the streets. > Only an "actor" can blind side an establishment... all the others just > yell "I'm a victim, just shoot me". > "Anti" ideas, aren't better ideas. > > Oh! You made me into the enemy! OK, then.... BANG! > No gumption to unscrew yourself?.....Screwed twice. > > You can't face down the dragon with dirt clods.. A sharper sword from > behind is what gets the job done. > But that means you have to be able to stand on top of the beheaded dragon. > > And THEN, when it's not absolutely PERFECT...same old loud crowd with > dirt clods. > Golly! My ears hurt. > I suppose I should just close them ....and I will when I'm ready to. > > > Look. All I'm saying is: "Shhhh, sharpen up that sword and get sneaky" > ..but that takes a grind stone. > And it's the very SAME grindstone that sharpened the sword of the dragon. > > If you want superiority of ideas, you have to HAVE superior ideas. Pretty > simple. > A mob clearly, doesn't have any. > If a mob weren't completely OUT of ideas, there would not be a mob running > around throwing sky pies. > > In the words of the all knowing victim: > Help me help me, no, not like that! > This isn't working, YOU do it harder, to someone else! > > But > The "solution" to a problem isn't inside of the problem. It's where you > have yet to look, BEYOND it. > ..and found, in the LAST place you look for it. > Therefore, if there is a problem, walk away from it to where it isn't. > THAT place is HUGELY bigger than where it is. > > My problem is finding too danged many solutions and being unable to > decide which to use !!!! > ..keeps me up at night with solutions leaking out of my ears !! > I have no problem with bad, just..is this better, better than that better. > It's easy to see what doesn't work, much harder to decide what does. > The one, we know, the other, we don't. > And "don't know" is always risky. > ..not for chicken shit loud mouth do nothing mobs depending on someone else > to decide and saying they are wrong when they do and have zero ideas that > even hold water, based on even LESS provable anti-propaganda propaganda sky > pies. > > The opposite of bad, is worse. > "GOOD" is obviously an unknown and the ONLY way to find it, is to walk > away from both the bad AND the worse...straight into that huge scary unknown. > > Watch children punching each other on the arm. When they finally stop, > note the expression of puzzlement on their faces. > They DON'T know what to do next, and therein is all of opportunity...and > THAT....is SCARY vast. > > THAT is what we are ALL, really afraid of. > And THAT is why we expend so much energy on limiting possibilities by > trading those punches. > > Does your arm hurt yet? > Thought not. > I can still hear people screaming while trying to make problems bearable > with circular blame, instead stepping out of them and solving them. > > Clue: Once you find a solution, a problem is completely irrelevant. > Solutions aren't inside of problems. > Conflict is pointless. > They know where they are going and that's NO where, but in circles. > Same slave game, new mastah. > > "Go AROUND, IDIOT! " to where you DON'T know where goes. > At least, that is somewhere else. > > If you pick a target, that's the only place to shoot. > No target? Can't miss. > But hitting infinity is a scary deal, ain't it? > > Do we really have to wait till anywhere but suffering here is better? > > Oh well, it just takes what it takes. > And the gods say, "Whelp, that one didn't work. No problem. Next." > > My target, live till 2012 and see if the world ends again. > 4 years, piece o' cake. > And if I don't, well...it did a little early. > Can't miss. > > One thing for sure, I'll be around till I'm not. > Then ya'll can say "Thank goodness HE's gone!" > ...now we can get back to the good fight without all that anti noise noise. > > LOL > Now there's an accomplishment! > ... made my skid mark on the tar, Mac. > Won the race to everywhere and no losers there. > > Ode > > > Injuns!! Circle the wagon! Circle the wagon! Faster! Faster! > How. We come in pieces un buffaloed. Got a beef? > Nah. How 'bout a tired old mule? > > We make tunnels around us so we can better appreciate the light at the end > of them. > > > > > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.12/1245 - Release Date: 1/26/2008 > > > > -- > The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. > > Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org > > To post, address your message to: [email protected] > > Address Off-Topic messages to: [email protected] > > The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... > > List maintainer: Mike Devour <[email protected]> > >
