Dear Faith Gagne, Your post accused me of "hyping this to the skies and you are way WAY out of line."
You wrote, "Secondly, Whoever heard of door to door searches in this country looking for a product that is no longer on the market?" If you re-read my original post you will see that I wrote, "I do not think that your generators would be confiscated, nor will there be door to door searches." In what part of this sentence did I commit the crime of either fabrication or fear mongering? I believe you misread my sentence in haste. You also wrote, "First of all, this is far from being a done deal." I stated this in my email to the list that the ruling will not occur until March 2009. However, let's look at the facts: 1. Multiple organizations are petitioning the EPA with resources into the millions of dollars. These organizations have lawyers, public relations teams, newsletters, internet websites, access to the media. 2. Speaking of the media, remember Paul Karason of the Today Show, People Magazine, and Oprah fame. Let's not forget the ABC news report that started this back in December which was shown multiple times on ABC, CNN, Fox Cable news. Have you seen a rebuttal or anyone connected to Colloidal Silver being given anytime, let alone equal time, on any of the above shows or stations? 3. The average person in the US is not enlightened to the benefits of Colloidal Silver, even less so after the Mr. Karason's more than 15 minutes of fame. If 10 million is truly representative number of CS users in the US from all sources, (some say the number is underestimated, others say its inflated) then 294,959,019 people in the US are not taking Colloidal Silver. The majority of these individuals watch TV. What conclusions do you think they will draw? 4. The Manufacturers of CS bottles and Generators do not have the resources, financial backing, or or even an organization to fight this petition to EPA. In fact most of these companies are barely on speaking terms with one another. 5. The Natural Products Association (Health Food manufacturers, wholesalers, and retailers organization) isn't going to be too concerned as Colloidal Silver isn't a big seller, CS already has a final ruling by the FDA which restricts the information to CS as "mineral supplement" (nothing more) and all Vitamin and Supplement sales is not endangered. 6. How many small companies can afford an EPA environmental impact report? (Let alone paying for the "science" to prove that Silver does not kill or impact beneficial bacterial, piscine, or mammalian life. Have you ever seen an EPA environmental impact report? The small ones are the size of multiple phone books for New York City or Los Angeles. And these only concern building a road.) One would require the deep pockets of a big drug company or multinational corporation for these expenses. The EPA is taking this seriously. The EPA on their website is currently soliciting manufacturers to register "pesticides" and pesticide devices with links for assistance and to an Ombudsman. Although Colloidal Silver is the target, "Nanotechnology Dangers" will be the Headlines. People either resist or fear new technology. Sometimes rightfully so. Irradiation of food, rBST in milk, microwaves from cellphones, Nuclear Energy, etc, sometimes unwarrantably, "If man was meant to fly , he would have wings. The human body cannot withstand speeds over 25 miles per hour. If you sail to far you will fall of the edge of the earth." (Or well two out of three isn't bad). You wrote, "Evidently this "Ph.D" knows nothing about CS." This is quite true, however, this "Ph.D" would be considered a credible witness on the basis of his schooling and advanced degree. Truth and Logic do not necessarily triumph in a Courtroom situation (reasonable doubt) or in a government regulatory hearing. How many Ph.D's will be singing the praises of Colloidal Silver? There is at least one study which infers that Nano Silver is harmful to brain cells. The is one published paper that multiple Doctors conclude a man in his 70's developed status epilecticus and died 5 months later from using Colloidal Silver among other supplements for 4 months. (I can find fault with the study, but I am not 4 doctors, ergo an incompetent witness.) Also do you think a Government Bureaucracy which recently extended its realm into Nano Silver Regulation is likely to reverse itself and abandon its new acquisition? Hardly likely. The ATF fought the FDA over tobacco control for decades. Do you think the EPA will not enforce its regulation of Silver as a pesticide? Also thanks to our friends at FOE (friends of the earth) are also petitioning the FDA to as to Nanotechnology. In this case, there is some validity in Nano Sunscreens, but OT I have seen reports on the relationship of increased Melanoma incidences from regular Sunscreen use. Both Petitions want NanoTech to be halted until proven safe (harder to do than to prove unsafe) and to be licensed, regulated, etc. In closing, the petitions by sundry organization are trying to force the EPA to follow its own rules and regulate Nano Silver in which generators and CS products are included. It is not a done deal, but most likely a fait accompli. Warmest Regards, Steve Foss PS If having an opinion in light of the above is hyping, then I would rather be guilty than silent. PPS, I already have in my possession several CS generators, so in the EPA is not of my concern. I did think this topic would be of interest to the Silver List. PPPS, If anyone is going to write letters, petitions, etc, the time is now. The above Environmental groups, etc, have websites with petitions against. From: "Faith Gagne" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steven Foss" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2008 2:32 AM Subject: CS>EPA to Ban CS and CS generators as Pesticides. Dear Silver List, Here are some links to websites on this issue. The CTA and FOE (Center for Technology Assessment and Friends of the Earth) are making a big issue over Nano Technology.) However, in the case of the CTA the Nano Technology is only Silver, and the hit list contains a number of bottle Colloidal Silvers including Sovereign Silver and Meso Silver among Silver Socks and Cosmetics, etc. I do not think that your generators would be confiscated, nor will there be door to door searches. However, if you have any plans of purchasing additional Colloidal Silver Generators after the EPA ruling you may be disappointed. The Colloidal Silver Generator may go the way of the Rife Machine. It is illegal to purchase a Rife Machine in California. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dear Mr. Foss: You are hyping this to the skies and you are way WAY out of line. First of all, this is far from being a done deal. (One of the Ph.D ' health scientists' writes in one of these articles that nano silver that is washed down the drain may get into the environment (as if people are not the environment) and kill fish and other animals. Huh? Evidently this "Ph.D" knows nothing about CS. I emailed that group and told them that a Ph.D after one's name does not stand for education (anymore). We should all start emailing these groups and telling them that they are poorly informed and to look elsewhere to entertain themselves. Secondly, Whoever heard of door to door searches in this country looking for a product that is no longer on the market? This is ridiculous and FABRICATED fear mongering. 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