Wow. Thanks for the info. Impressive pulling that together. I am on a BB so reviewing the links will have to wait till tomorrow but I really appreciate the data. I feel like I am always at at ball game but without a program. - Steve N
----- Original Message ----- From: Steven Foss <[email protected]> To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Sent: Wed Oct 08 21:34:49 2008 Subject: CS>RE Mesosilver/Ionic Silver Debate. Dear Steve N. Here is some quick and dirty cut and paste to answer your question. I think the information you are looking for is at http://www.hydrosolinfo.com/articles/silver-2005-01-07.php John W. Roberts, Ph.D. of Natural-Immunogenics Corp (a competitor of MesoSilver) performed an experiment comparing MesoSilver and Natural-Immunogenics Corp product (Colloidal Silver predominately Silver Ions). The end result was Ionic Silver became more effective in the presence of HCl acid and Silver Particles did not. As the test seems to have been performed "in house" and not by an independent laboratory, there is the usual criticism on my part. Before any starts to point any fingers at John Roberts, Ph.D., Mr Roberts was refuting the information on http://www.silver-colloids.com written by Frank Keys and performed by CSL in house (owned by Frank Keys). Frank Keys responded with a test performed by EMSL labs, the response is at the bottom of the of http://www.silver-colloids.com/Pubs/bogus-bio-study.html (EMSL Analytical, Inc. is an environmental testing firm, the EMSL Analytical, Inc. network of laboratories offer a wide array of services supporting investigations in asbestos, microbiology, lead, chemistry, indoor air quality and industrial hygiene applications.) "View the study results here. (click link at site for PDF) The study clearly shows that the effectiveness of the ionic silver product was substantially reduced as a result of being exposed to stomach acid while the colloidal silver product remained effective against the bacteria." http://www.hydrosolinfo.com/articles/silver-2005-05-21.php"; I will assume a response by Natural-Immunogenics was a test performed by STS Duotek, an independent, FDA licensed, 3rd party laboratory: http://www.hydrosolinfo.com/articles/silver-2005-05-21.php (STS Duotek tests are conducted in accordance with applicable Quality System Regulation (QSR)/Good Manufacturing Practice (GMP) requirements and, when requested, in accordance as well with Good Laboratory Practice (GLP) regulations. Routine internal auditing, trending, and management review of progress ensures continual improvement of the quality system, as well as accuracy and strict adherence to both the FDA and ISO requirements. Somewhat better pedigree than EMSL.) Sovereign Silver demonstrated superior broad spectrum antimicrobic activity against all three of the U.S.P. <51> bacteria, compared to the 6 competitive product performances, as tested, some of which were effective against only one or two of the challenge microorganisms. Sovereign Silver killed a minimum of 13 times as many Staph. aureus as did the next most effective competitor…. and in most cases, Sovereign Silver was almost 1,600 X more potent than other competitors. Sovereign Silver killed over 4 times more E. coli than Mesosilver, 13 times more than Silver Biotics, and in most cases, thousands of times more E. coli than any other competitor. Sovereign Silver was about 40 X more potent than Mesosilver and 50 X more potent than Silver Biotics vs. P. aerugenosa, and at least 5,000 X more potent than other competitive products vs. P. aerugenosa. The website www.hydrosolinfo.com by coincidence is hosted by the same webhost as natural-immunogenics.com with a hydrosolinfo.com as the Organization and no address other than the webhost. (Draw you own conclusions). Is this science or a contest between to business competitors? Best Regards, Steve F. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: [email protected] Address Off-Topic messages to: [email protected] The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour <[email protected]>
