MessageSteve Obama's friend, Ayers, dedicated his book to Kennedy's
murderer. Wake up. J
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  From: Norton, Steve [mailto:[email protected]]
  Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2008 12:20 PM
  To: [email protected]
  Subject: RE: CS>Off Topic Politics


  I try to stay out of the politics but this time I will put in my 2 cents
and then butt out. Republicans do not have to rejoice in Obama but they
should be open to an opportunity for things to be better. The Republicans
had their opportunity and it is an understatement to say they failed
miserably and would continue to do so if given the chance. So now the
Democrats havve their chance and we should all hope they can suceed where
the Republicans did not. You seem to consider liberals as a dirty word but
in the words of another:

  For the better part of a decade, the conservatives made liberal a dirty
word. Well, it isn't. It represents the best and most noble nature of what
America stands for: equitable government services, old age pensions, health
care, education, fair trials and humane imprisonment. It is the heart and
soul of what made American different and better than other countries. Not
only an escape from oppression, but the opportunity to thrive in land free
of tradition and the repression that can bring. We offered a democracy which
didn't enshrine the rich and made them feel they had an obligation to their
workers.

  Bush and the people around him disdain that. They think, by accident of
birth and circumstance, they were meant to rule the world and those who did
not agree would suffer.

  Liberal does not and has not meant weak until the conservatives said it
did. Was Martin Luther King weak? Bobby Kennedy? Gene McCarthy? It was the
liberals who remade this country and ended legal segregation and legal
sexism. Not the conservatives, who wanted to hold on to the old ways.

  It's time to regain the spirit of FDR and Truman and the people around
them. People who believed in the public good over private gain. It is time
to stop apologizing for being a liberal and be proud to fight for your
beliefs. No more shying away or being defined by other people. Liberals
believe in a strong defense and punishment for crime. But not preemption and
pointless jail sentences. We believe no American should be turned away from
a hospital because they are too poor or lack a proper legal defense. We
believe that people should make enough from one job to live on, to spend
time on raising their family. We believe that individuals and not the state
should dictate who gets married and why. The best way to defend marriage is
to expand, not restrict it.

  It was the liberals who opposed the Nazis while the conservatives were
plotting to get their brown shirts or fund Hitler. It was the liberals who
warned about Spain and fought there, who joined the RAF to fight the
Germans, who brought democracy to Germany and Japan. Let us not forget it
was the conservatives who opposed defending America until the Germans sank
our ships. They would have done nothing as Britain came under Nazi control.
It was they who supported Joe McCarthy and his baseless, drink fueled
claims.

  Without liberals, there would be no modern America, just a Nazi sattlelite
state. Liberals weak on defense? Liberals created America's defense. The
conservatives only need vets at election time.

   - Steve N



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  From: Terry [mailto:[email protected]]
  Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2008 8:54 AM
  To: [email protected]
  Subject: RE: CS>Silver Puppy


  It began with Faith's gushing about our "wonderful new president" - or do
you actually read any of these comments?
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    From: Kirsteen Wright [mailto:[email protected]]
    Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2008 9:52 AM
    To: [email protected]
    Subject: Re: CS>Silver Puppy





    On 11/5/08, Terry <[email protected]> wrote:
      Duh.  The idea is that this board is not for political musings - but
if Mike allows, bring it on.

    Except yours obviously

    Kirsteen