At 02:31 PM 5/27/2009 +0200, you wrote:
Thanks so far to Jonathan, MaryAnn, Malcolm and Ode-coyote...
You're right, Jonathan, alot of the sites were lacing in details of sorts.
I, for one, when researching products, like to see more pictures of the
thing close up and built up, in action.
Malcolm, I've checked out silverpuppy and silvergen. I have to say that
the one I'm leaning towards is the colloidal master, so I've got a few
questions for you, Maryann, if I may bother you some...
@Ode Coyote... those were my thoughts. I was only wondering if the
elctronics were different between the colloidal master and the cm
Universal. I was wondering if the Universal is just the latest model,
since they mention that the universal model is "their latest offering"
after 7 yrs of development.
## I'm pretty sure it's the very same unit with a DC tap to bypass the
power transformer so you can use a battery.
The silverpup "generators" will run properly on just about anything you
can plug into it and you can't hook up anything wrong..the stirrerers
won't, they need 120 VAC but decent CS can be made without a stirrer
especially when using polarity changing output. [DC out makes ion tracks
between the electrodes aka high concentration zones that need to be
disrupted constantly ]
The CM uses constant current and a voltage reference to tell itself when
it's done [as does the silverpuppy and the silvergen]
The silvergen sg6 is DC output only, the CM has an alternating electrode
polarity feature that uses an electromechanical relay, no DC output, the
silverpup has a choice of DC or alternating polarity [optional on the
pocketpuppy ] and is entirely solid state.
The PPM dial is a potentiometer that changes the reference voltage for the
PPM setting.
The SG6 and silverpup will turn themselves off when the conductivity of
the water is at the desired place..the CM 'might' just display a light to
tell you when it's done [dunno if it turns itself off or not ]
The dials are not calibrated for any specific PPM but will do the same
thing each batch IF the electrodes are in exactly the same placement.
You'll need a meter to tell what that is.
Using repeatable electrode position to do that job IS calibrated, but the
choices aren't infinitely variable..but at least you know what the choices are.
There's no way to exceed the max PPM setting other than to reposition the
electrodes further apart on the CM or the sg6
The silverpup lets you go as high as you dare with an auto/ manual switch
for making CS Gel etc, or use bad water if you have to. [optional on the
pocketpuppy ]
Polarity change does in fact do "some" stirring, directly between the
electrodes...sufficient for a quart batch, but better if the jar is about
the same length as the electrodes.
Exposure to water vapors is a stir motors nemesis due to eventual
corrosion...and potentiometers and relays eventually get iffy like any part
that "moves".
Puppy stirrers are never exposed to water vapor and one has no moving
parts at all... TO corrode and freeze up.
To get repeatable batches, make same sized batches [all]
There are some conductivity / water volume / PPM relationships to
conductivity triggered settings that have volume related 'nuances'
"PPM" is determined by voltage drop that keeps current constant as water
conductivity rises with the gradual addition of silver ions, compared to an
internal reference voltage [all]
All 3 are good generators...drawbacks minor.
The CM doesn't do much to handle electrode mounting or position, the SG6 is
a bit difficult electrode wise and both use silver ribbon that is easily
bent and have edge/corner discharge characteristics that erode the
electrodes into a V shape, changing current density and calibration over
time until you get new electrodes.
The pup electrodes have no exposed edges or corners, placement is precise
and they are very easy to handle.
The SG6 and CM haven't "actually" changed since their inception, the pup
silver 7 is in it's 6th revision in 9 years winding up with miniaturized
surface mount solid state everything like a computer motherboard. [The
arithmetic monster ate #5 ]
A timer cannot work...unless you know everything else about your batch at
the start..and no two batches are the same at the start because no two jugs
of water are the same except by accident.
Most "zappers" being use to make CS fall short of doing that well.
Making a good CS generator into a zapper is better. [higher
functionality being used for a less demanding function ]
Ode
@MaryAnn... the Colloidal Master says you can set it at any ppm, so how
would you do that? And what about the quantity of water? If its for a
quart at a time, then you can only make a quart at a time? Or could you
make more or less? How would the settings be then? Also, do you use the
feature to test the water first? I don't suppose you know how man ppm your
finished product has, or can you test it? How often do you stir?
Here's another link I found that is from a german site. You can still look
at the products.
(<http://www.bloodzapper.de/index.php?page=shop.browse&category_id=2&option=com_virtuemart&Itemid=33>http://www.bloodzapper.de/index.php?page=shop.browse&category_id=2&option=com_virtuemart&Itemid=33)
He said he has one with 4mm electrodes that can be used to make 500m. at a
time, which is about 1/4 of a quart, for 150 Euros. Comes complete with
the aluminum case and bottles, etc. Oh, it comes with a timer, so its not
an automatic shut off, but I could use one to plug into the socket that
will turn off automatically, but I like the feature the silvergen has and
I believe the colloidal master also has this feature.
Aldona
I'm eager to start, but am still having a hard time to decide which
generator would best suit my needs.
On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 3:53 AM, Jonathan B. Britten
<<mailto:[email protected]>[email protected]> wrote:
Colloidal Master has a very attractive price on a full setup including a
distiller, but ships that only to the USA, as I recall, so you'd need to
find a reshipper. One member on this list has spoken well of the
generator; I find the website information about it a bit thin on
details. It does not have any kind of stirrer, but claims that the method
of generation eliminates the need for mechanical stirring.
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