Ok, I was on a blackberry last night but today I can type. I do wish that a test to confirm the accuracy of the lab measurements had been made. You can make errors measuring silver in a complex solution. I have come across a study and two patents addressing just that issue. I also regret that a daily measurement wasn't taken under non silver-loaded conditions and that the first day of the primary test was not measured. But that is water over the dam. It is also true that there are studies that included silver chloride dosing but none mention increased silver excretion much less increased silver excretion in the urine. However, putting all that aside and looking at the data gives some interesting results. As I said previously, all the test data on silver excretion I have seen shows that the primary excretion route is by the liver (>99%). In the Altman test, urine is the primary route of excretion. In the 24 hr silver balance test the ratio was 73% in the urine and 27% in the feces. In the primary test on day 5, the first measurement made, it was 92.5% in the urine and 7.5% in the feces. Clearly something is different from the reported studies. It has been mentioned that it has not been proven that silver ions combine with HCl in the stomach to form silver chloride. To me that would appear to be more of a technicality. It has been shown that combining silver ions with HCl in in a test tube forms silver chloride. It STRONGLY suggests that it will do the same in the stomach. I do agree that some and perhaps a large number of silver ions will enter the body through mucus membranes and not be converted to silver chloride. And if you look at the data, the silver excreted through the urine closely approximates the ionic content of the EIS. Perhaps this is not surprising. It has been shown that EDTA is processes out through the urine regardless of what metal it has bonded with. And the kidney is responsible for eliminating excess salt from the bloodstream. So it would appear that the chloride ion in the silver chloride is causing the liver to ignore the silver chloride and the kidney to eliminate it as excess salt. The most striking part of the test data is that it indicates that silver chloride remains unchanged in the blood. It enters the bloodstream as silver chloride and lit leaves the bloodstream as silver chloride. I have not seen any qualitative data for the antimicrobial effectiveness of silver chloride but I have read that it is poor. I had read that Frank Keys believes that only the silver particles in EIS has any effect in vivo. I always though that his belief was simply based on the low solubility of silver chloride in water but perhaps this study is the basis of that belief. It would certainly seem to support that assertion, in my opinion. As you can tell, this is somewhat speculative. Counter and alternative ideas are welcome. About agryria, studies indicate that less than 1% of silver in the bloodstream is deposited in the tissues. The accuracy of the test is not sufficient to detremine if all silver was excreted. One percent could easily be missed. Additionally, silver chloride is one of the compounds that has been found in the cells of argyria patients. I don't think the test proves that EIS cannot cause or contribute to argryia. - Steve N
________________________________ From: Norton, Steve [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Sunday, July 26, 2009 11:38 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: CS>FW: Colliodal Silver You are right. I retract my statement . - Steve N ----- Original Message ----- From: Clayton Family <[email protected]> To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Sent: Sun Jul 26 20:46:39 2009 Subject: Re: CS>FW: Colliodal Silver I am not sure that one can compare silver chloride with ionic silver. If one adds salt to ionic silver, it does seems to cause argyria. There have been reports of this. Assuming that the EIS changes to silver chloride in the stomach is an assumption, pretty much impossible to prove either way. I am not sure it is that simple or everyone using eis might be getting argyria. I think this study has a lot of value. Why on earth would you assume the Lab made an error? I think that the prior assumption is what is questionable. The body has very complicated biochemistry. Kathryn On Jul 26, 2009, at 5:37 PM, Norton, Steve wrote: > I am skeptical of the study because it is contrary to every other > study of silver that I have seen. I know some will say that EIS is > different than any other type of silver studied but what must be the > majority of EIS ingested is ingested as silver chloride after > conversion in the stomach. And some studies have used silver chloride > with different results. Some issues: > > *The daily excretion rate > *Primary excretion via urine vs feces > *The assumption the all silver is eventually excreted with no basis > for the claim > *The percent of ingested silver that that enters the bloodstream > > Too bad some test data on single daily dose in a non silver-loaded > condition is not provided along with a > single daily dose in a non silver-loaded condition of a non EIS form > of silver as a control sample. > > There are some other items that give concern. Bit given what is > provided I would have to believe that the measurement of silver by > Kimball Labs must be faulty. > > - Steve N > > From: Laura Zolman <[email protected]> > To: silver colloidal <[email protected]> > Sent: Sun Jul 26 06:33:08 2009 > Subject: CS>FW: Colliodal Silver > > Anyone checked this out before...and if yes, what is your opinion. > > http://www.silvermedicine.org/AltmanStudy.pdf >
