Thanks, Steve G for your post. 

I agree with all you said but would like to add a few words on the dangers of 
some if the extremist sites. One of the common themes at those sites is 
warnings that sources of differing information are always wrong and part if the 
conspiracy. Be it the main stream media, FDA, big Pharma, government agencies, 
other blogs, your neighbor, ...

The first thing they do it try to cut you off from other sources of 
information. Once that is done they control you and your opinions. I am always 
astonished at how many poeple willingly fall for this manipulation. One clear 
sign of one of these manipulative sites is their emphasis on the emotion of 
anger to get a person involved. They use it to work a person up and use the 
anger to overide the person's common sense and critical thinking.  Having read 
many of these conspiracy sites I am amazed at not just the amount of 
undocumented speculation but also the great amounts of outright lies and 
misinformation. 
I find it insulting when people send that type of information to me personally. 
Believing that I would be ignorant or lazy enough to fail to check the "facts" 
they present. And I don't like my time wasted by posts of that type. 

 - Steve N


 
From: Steve <[email protected]>To: [email protected] 
<[email protected]>Sent: Sun Dec 20 10:04:34 2009Subject: CS>Conspiracies

The problem with conspiracy theories is that they are usually presented as 
facts and no effort is given to provide serious documentation or support.  
Usually the support behind the statements is in the theorist's rationalization 
which involves a series of suppositions, each one relying upon the accuracy of 
another, like individual dominoes stacked precariously one upon another.   As 
long as every single supposition/domino is dead on accurate, the whole thing 
manages to stay together, but if one is wrong, the entire structure falls.    
Generally, theorists don't really have much in the way of facts, but they have 
a lot of opinions.On the other hand..... there really are conspiracies.  And 
the nature of conspiracies is that the perpetrators do not like them to be 
discovered.  People attempted to reveal the conspiracy are targeted for 
discreditation, ridicule, or elimination.What do you do?   You do your best to 
listen to what is claimed, attempt to determine if it has any realistic merit, 
and make your best conclusion.Popular conspiracy theories in my lifetime 
include:Man landing on Moon is a HoaxRoosevelt knew about the Pearl Harbor 
attack in advanceObama is not born in the USKatrina Hurricane relief efforts 
were bungled purposely because victims were African AmericansGlobal Warming 
(now climate change since the earth has been cooling for about 8 years)  is due 
to human activityAnd many others.People who promote these theories are mostly 
sincere.  They are forceful.   They are passionate.   But being sincere, 
forceful, dramatic, or loud does NOT mean you are correct. Making claims 
without any proof by someone who is sincere or loud convinces many people.  The 
Katrina victims theory is particularly weak because absolutely no documentation 
or support exists for the claim.  Global warming theory is particularly 
suspect, especially now, because the scientists doing climate change research 
have been proven to have conspired to for years to toss data and studies that 
don't support the theory. Now, the claims that David Rockefeller owns 85% of 
the world's pharmacies could possibly be true I suppose.  But, nobody seems to 
be able to come up with any documentation, so I ignore this.   But let's say 
it's true.  On top of this, for the conspiracy to be accurate, we need to 
believe that an incredibly rich man who will never be able to spend 10% of his 
wealth is so crazed by money and power that he will deliberately go out of his 
way to risk everything to cover-up or discredit alternative treatments and 
remedies that may have some real merit.   This is a lot for someone to accept 
without some real documentation.As far as the claim that the WTC were not 
brought down by terrorists amazes me since I saw the buildings collapse on live 
tv.   The buildings each took much longer than 10 seconds to collapse from the 
time they were struck by the airplanes.   There are a number of well researched 
papers discussing the mechanics of how that happened.  Imploding experts use 
dynamite to implode buildings.  This was entirely different and the imploders' 
expertise is pretty much irrelevant here.  There are tons of evidence that 911 
was indeed orchestrated by Al Quaida terrorists. Me?  I'm just skeptical of 
exotic claims.  I'm willing to listen to just about ANY theory as long as there 
is some real evidence to back it up.  Evidence other than someone connecting a 
bunch of assumptions and opinions. I think we are currently living through one 
of the biggest conspiracies on record right now, namely the efforts to pass the 
so called 'Health Care Reform Bill.'    I think there is a lot of evidence to 
suggest that various politicians are being blackmailed to support it or paid 
off in one way or another.  I have no proof of this, so I can't promulgate my 
theory as anything more than a suspicion.  If successful in their efforts, the 
government will have unprecedented power over our lives.   Anything you might 
have to say about 911, Rockefeller's banks, the Fed, or the FDA pales in 
comparison with what this power grab is likely to do.That's my take.

Steve G.