Thank you for your reply.  I do plan to try the gelatin, although I'm careful 
to get plenty of protein with each meal.  I'm making improvements, ....using 
kelp and lecithin, drinking LOTS of water, taking the glucosamine and MSM 
(which made all my teeth hurt from about 2 hours after my first large dose and 
through the next day, weird, huh?)  I'm reading the book which you recommended, 
"Your Body's Many Cries for Water," and find it fascinating.  

I quit using Celebrex a couple weeks ago after using it for several years....I 
started it right when they took Bextra (the best) off the market and had used 
Vioxx before that.  I have tinnitus which has gotten louder in the last 3 
months and want to be rid of that.  I'm hoping the Celebrex is the cause, but 
it could also be the blood pressure drug Cozaar.  I wonder if some natural 
supplement can cause it because right after my knee replacement last April, it 
seemed the tinnitus was better and I'd stayed on the same drugs but cut back on 
supplements.  I've started taking Ginkgo biloba every day to help, plus vitamin 
B12.

I don't feel better, but I don't feel nearly as bad as I thought I would after 
quitting Celebrex.  My hands hurt more than anywhere.  Yesterday a couple hours 
after the Ginkgo, I developed pain all over my body with movement.  I can't 
find anything online about it causing that kind of side effect, and it didn't 
today.  So in the last two weeks, I've had to use an Aleve three times for 
pain.  Beer helps, too, but I never want more than one in a day and not every 
day and would hate to start craving it like I do ice cream!

Pat




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From: Brooks Bradley <[email protected]>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Wed, February 17, 2010 6:13:20 PM
Subject: [RE]CS>Arthritis- ? for Brooks B.: TARDY RESPONSE

Dear Patty, 
Please accept my apologies for this belated response....I just lost your email 
in the melee of life. 
First, if you are considering using supplemental gelatin as a continuing 
protocol (not a bad idea for many people), I woujld suggest you make an 
Internet inquiry for bulk gelatin.  Several suppliers offer it for less than 
$13.00 per lb.  The recommended dosage....given by several of the suppliers.... 
is one level tablespoon mixed into water or your preferred juice, cold drink, 
etc......on a daily basis----as a prophylactic protocol.  For circumstances 
where one is experiencing brittle fingernails and/or constantly-splitting ends 
(many times an indication of low systemic protein).....this protocol worked 
best (for us) when used 3 times daily....until noticeable improvement (usually 
about 7 days) and then reduced to the prophylactic 
dosage.  Beef gelatin is approximately 90% protein, and highly digestible by 
human beings.  Gelatin derivatives make up a very high percentage of all 
chitin-based material found in the human body (e.g. fingernails, between 
articulating joints, etc.). 
As a majority of the U.S. population seems to ingest insufficient protein 
(mostly the result of excessive refined carbohydrate intake)....increasing 
numbers of various health-based challenges seem to present with each passing 
year. 
Our animal evaluations (circa 2003) involving Celebrex, resulted in VERY 
NEGATIVE results....some involving health presentations of a VERY threatening 
nature.  Our undesirable results began to appear AFTER the second or third week 
of use and continued to increase with usage time increases.  Interestingly, 
human evaluations by other...mainstream researchers...(published at a later 
date) revealed to confirm some of our most disturbing findings. 
Ancillary Comment:  I noted that someone commented in a post to the list...that 
MSM tasted bitter to them.  That is an "unfailing" characteristic of MSM.  ALL 
MSM has a very bitter taste....when it comes into direct contact with the 
linings of the mouth and upper throat.  This characteristic is tolerated in 
various degree by the human community.  To some---like me---it is quite 
tolerable....but still demonstrably bitter.  To others MSM is so bitter that it 
generates a very strong gag-reflex (in which case the better alternative is to 
take the MSM in capsule form). Taking MSM in pill form is another...but 
sometimes uncomfortable, option.  The reason being, that the 1000 to 1500 mg 
tablets are quite large and constitute a REAL challenge for 
some..... to swallow. 
Ref your gelatin/water question.   The gelatin is the active agent, but cannot 
properly react in the system without a sufficiently hydrated environment.  
Shortest answer:  They are BOTH important. 
Sincerely,   Brooks Bradley. 









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>Subject : CS>Arthritis- ? for Brooks B.
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>Date : Wed, 3 Feb 2010 20:35:55 -0800 (PST)
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>From : Pat <[email protected]>
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>To : [email protected]
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>I've been thinking about using gelatin, but it's been so busy the last several 
>weeks with my daughter and her family visiting.  Now, holding the small box 
>which contains four packets, I'm wondering what to do with it.  Would it be 
>effective to make it into jello using juice and water.  That would require 
>four packets of gelatin and four cups of liquid.  That would be two cups more 
>per box than what you consumed, wouldn't it?  But no way could I eat that four 
>times a day!  Do you think the gelatin is effective or is it mostly the 
>increased intake of water?  How long would one need to use this?
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>I'm doing well with using Thorvin kelp.  Luckily, I like the lecithin, because 
>the kelp tastes way too fishy for me, but I have no trouble getting a teaspoon 
>of each down once a day.
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>I just started taking my glucosamine, chondriotin, and MSM today, once again.  
>A friend of mine has been able to discontinue her Celebrex anti-inflammatory 
>and uses nothing for pain since she started that plus fish oil and vitamin D.  
>She had had significant pain, especially in her knee.
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>Pat
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>________________________________
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>From: Brooks Bradley 
>
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>To: [email protected]
>
>
>Sent: Mon, December 21, 2009 6:55:48 PM
>
>
>Subject: [RE]CS>Spinal Arthritis
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>Dear Steve, 
>
>
>Your wife has my heartfelt sympathy.  I suffered from PRONOUNCED ankylosing 
>spondylitis 
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>for many years (between ages of 30 and 50), during which interval the 
>allopathic community failed to gain ANY  distinct relief.....for me.  My case 
>was considerably aggravated by the fact I have a congenital deformation of the 
>5th lower lumbar (a region which very often presents a major insult).  Circa 
>about 1980, I was forced to start sleeping on an inclined 
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>2" X 12" X 8' wooden plank......with the head-end resting on the outer edge of 
>a heavy captain's chair.....in order to obtain any measurable degree of pain 
>relief-----not to mention sleep.  By 1990 (via continual pain killers, hot 
>saunas and a HIGH-tenison, compression-type spinal brace), the 
>discomfort....and outright pain, although episodic in nature----had reached a 
>point that nothing I attempted effected any measurable pain reduction....for 
>any extended period of time (hours).  Quite serendipitously, I stumbled across 
>a medical article by some Chinese researcher....on the benefits of utilizing 
>gelatin obtained from cattle carcasses (plain 
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>Knox-type) aiding in the re-establishment of eroded cartilage-type tissues.  
>As a "drowning man would grasp at a straw", I initiated a protocol which 
>included a pronounced intake of Knox gelatin (about four small boxes daily).  
>I began to enjoy noticeable improvement within 5 days....and PRONOUNCED 
>improvement-----within 20 days.  Overjoyed, I informed my associates of this 
>splendid turn of events.  Several of them  (five, in fact) were experiencing 
>similar....if not as overpowering....disagreeable spinal presentations.  All 
>five initiated my basic protocol.  When two of them reported similar WONDERFUL 
>results, 
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>as mine....three reported little, if any, marked relief.  Puzzled, I closely 
>interrogated each as to their EXACT protocol.  At first I could determine NO 
>detectable variation....but upon more refined questioning, I determined there 
>was one, fundamental difference.  That, being that the two positive responders 
>were consuming a second glass of water with each dosage (with 8 ounce glasses, 
>this equals 32 ounces of additional water).  As this research occurred some 
>years prior to Dr. Batmanhelidj's seminal work on the very powerful effects 
>
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>of systemic dehydration upon the human body......it had never occurred to me 
>(OR the allopathic medical community) that chronic dehydration was such a 
>powerful player in a very large number of chronic/systemic afflictions 
>suffered by humans.....most especially OLDER ONES.  Upon repeating the 
>original protocol, with the addition of the added water intake, 
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>all three of the volunteers experienced very powerful improvements.  Two 
>enjoyed considerably better gains in general relief over the next 30 days, and 
>the third individual did gain what he described as "enormous pain abatement".  
>Four of the five original subjects required no additional address, of any 
>kind, other than a scheduled increase in daily water consumption.  The fourth, 
>gained very significant relief, but continued to "backslide" on maintaining 
>his increased water intake....resulting in periodic relapses. 
>
>
>Additionally, I was spurred to investigate the condition of chronic 
>dehydration in the elderly (65 and over), and was shocked to find that the 
>"thirst reflex" in persons (especially men) diminishes as much as 50%-----and, 
>sometimes, is life-threatening" ------ 
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>without ANY recognizable medical or behavior symptoms. 
>
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>I hasten to advise that over the immediately past 17 years we have learned of 
>other improvements in personal healthcare which have resulted in a vast 
>improvement in addresses for arthritis......especially articulating-joint 
>presentations.  I do not have the time, at present, to elaborate in detail, on 
>all of our useful discoveries (the bulk of which are at present known to the 
>entire alternative community), but will add a brief statement as to what we 
>have experienced to be one of the most effective and 
>economical.....general....protocols, for supporting acceptable joint health in 
>human beings. 
>
>
>One simple regimen is as follows:  MSM---6 grams as a prophylactic);  
>Glucosamine Sulphate----2000 mg; Chrondroitin---3000 mg (either as a purchased 
>supplement or in the form of a nutritional gelatin);  1 heaping teaspoon of 
>marine kelp (acts as a wide-spectrum catalyst--for many systemic reactions;  
>while optional, the following is strongly recommended for ANYONE who has had 
>articulating-joint compromises at ANY point in their health history:  CMO---1 
>level teaspoon, preferably divided into two doses.  This is only a 
>prophylactic dosage.....and far to small for addressing major insults. 
>
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>While we have experienced very acceptable results from MANY different 
>substances, found outside of the allopathic nostrums, those listed above 
>yielded the most favorable responses.....considering efficacy , non-toxicity , 
>and cost economy. 
>
>
>Sincerely,  Brooks Bradley. 
>
>
>O,S.  My apologies for such a lengthy post, but this is an area of general 
>health that is very significant to me....and I have the scars to prove it. 
>
>
>For those of the list membership who are unaware of his work, I can do no 
>better than to recommend Dr. Batmanhelidj's fascinating book " Your Body's 
>Many Cries for Water". 
>
>
>I can assure you that you will find it to be quite fascinating...as well as 
>informative. 
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