Mike Monett wrote:
> There is another problem as well. The chemistry of silver
> indicates that any silver ions in the blood will quickly plate out
> on any silver particles in the blood, which do not register as
> ions. He does not confirm that the ions do not make it into the
> blood, we know from those who get argyria from silver compounds
> they do, but rather that when taken with colloidal particles are
> quickly plated out on the particles which are in the blood.
>Marshall
Marshall,
There is no such chemistry of silver that will allow silver ions to
plate out on silver particles. Your claim is false.
Of course it does, the entire photographic industry depends on this very
action of silver salts when in the prescence of a developer in an
alkaline solution. If it is not possible, then there can be no such
thing as a photograph.
Here's why:
1. In conventional LVDC silver electrolysis, a silver ion that
reaches the cathode can accept an electron and be converted back
into an atom. The equation is:
Ag(+) + e(-) --> Ag
However, one of the most fundamental laws in chemistry is any
chemical process must be charge balanced, and the result must be
neutral.
2. In order for the ion to plate out at the cathode, another ion
must enter the solution. The only place this can occur is at the
anode, and the result is another silver ion releases an electron and
enters the solution. The equation is:
Ag - e(-) --> Ag(+)
The overall effect is a silver atom is transferred from the anode to
the cathode. This wastes an electron, and results in no change in
the conductance of the solution. This is why I developed the
conductance method of terminating the brew at or just before the
ions reach the opposite electrodes. The section is "Analysing the CS
Process", at:
http://www.pstca.com/silversol/theory/analysis.htm
3. The above process cannot work in the blood. There is no source of
electrons to neutralize the charge on the ion, and there is no
positively-charged silver anode to release another silver ion into
the solution to keep the charge balanced. There is also no battery
connecting the two electrodes to supply the EMF necessary for the
reaction to occur.
Of course there is a source of electrons. Look up the chemistry of
photography, the development bath must be alkaline (the stop bath is
acid), and there must be an oxidizing developer present. If what you
say were true, then Kodak would not exist. If chemical reactions can
ONLY occur if you have an anode and cathode, then 99.99% of all chemical
reactions would be impossible and of course so would argyria which is
cause by this very same process, except the initial silver atoms are
formed by photoillumination of the silver chloride, and then the
remaining silver chloride in the blood can plate out on them.. Life
would not exist without chemical reactions taking place without an anode
and cathode..
4. If for some reason a silver ion landed on a silver particle, the
entire particle would take on a positive charge in accordance with
the charge balance rule. This will repel any further ions from the
particle and stop any further plateout.
Not true. If you start with Silver chloride AgCl, which is used in
almost ALL photographic emulsions, and expose it to a developer in an
alkaline bath, they will plate out on any silver particles present (what
is termed the latent image). I am surprised anyone in this modern age
is not aware of silver based photography. The blood is no different, it
will contain silver chloride, is alkaline, and if you have taken EIS
will contain particles. I can accept the possibility that some
component in the blood may contain something which might inhibit this
action, but to claim that the photographic development process itself is
impossible is a bit out there.
However, for your claim to work, the ions have to ignore the charge
buildup and continue releasing their charge to the particle. The
particle would develop a high voltage like these two ladies who are
touching a high voltage conductor:
http://izismile.com/img/img2/20090406/tesla_20.jpg
They don't release their charge to the particle, they are neutralized by
oxidation by the developer. Although there are many possible developers
in the blood, caffeine is one that has a high probability of being there
and is a proven photographic developer. One possible conversion with
caffeine is this:
AgCl + C_8 H_10 N_4 O_2 = Ag + N2Cl + CO2 + C7H10N2
That is, Silver Chloride plus caffeine = Silver metal + Diazo Chloride +
4-Tolyhydrazine
There are likely many other paths, and I am sure probably a different
one would be more kinetically probable.
5. If your claim was true, the silver electrolysis process could not
work. When a silver particle gives up an electron and leaves the
anode, the nearest silver particle is the anode. Since your claim
requires the ion to ignore the positive charge on the anode, the
silver ion would have no choice but to return to the anode and plate
out. This obviously does not happen.
Chemical reactions without electrolysis have nothing to do with what
occurs with electrolysis. Nothing is ignored. If you think that this
is impossible then try and explain how photographs have been developed
for over 100 years?
6. If your claim was true, the ion selective electrode would not
work in any solution that contained silver particles. All the ions
would plate out and there would be nothing left to measure. This
obviously does not happen.
I don't know of anyone that does ion selective electrode measurements
with a developer added. I bet if they added some photographic developer
to the solution it would plate out. This is a paper tiger.
Marshall, your remarkable and profound ignorance of the basic laws
of chemistry, physics, logic, and common sense is amusing.
Actually I was thinking the same thing about you. That you could be
unaware of photography and the cheemisty involved is indeed amusing.
Marshall
But I'm afraid the conclusions you draw would be very confusing to
newcomers. I recommend that any of your claims should be checked
very carefully by independent means.
Mike M.
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