I've seen this one time with a person that had invested a lot of money
in a water processing setup with a sealed bag packager.
He said his CS was growing mold in it and I didn't believe him, so he sent
me a sample of both his water and some CS that he made.
I opened a bag and checked the water with a PWT and it was OK, except it
had small grey fluffy things floating around in it as did the bag of CS.
Many hours later, I checked it again and all the floaters had vanished,
but the conductivity had skyrocketed into the hundreds of uS.
"Something" was in that water that was non conductive when under pressure,
but with that pressure relieved, became very conductive and disappeared..
The guy had spent several thousand bucks on that system..and of course it
was the much less expensive "generator" that was the problem...and he never
looked at the water before he made the CS because his very expensive water
packaging equipment was beyond scrutiny...and why bag water? [THEN make CS
with it? ]
Whatever it was probably came from the bags over a period of time while
under pressure, or the generator wouldn't have made CS to start with...so,
of course he didn't know that the *water* was also growing "mold" the same
as the CS. [It wasn't mold, I have no idea what it was ]
The difference in pressure between open and unopened bag pretty much had to
be very low, perhaps only as much as that between a rainy and sunny day or
a different altitude.
The bags had no head space at all, so maybe the plastic itself was under
tension, applying pressure.
Ode
At 08:30 AM 3/9/2010 -0500, you wrote:
One experience of mine shows why you need a meter.
I have always used a meter to measure the strength of my CS right after
making it.
It normally reads between 9 and 12, which is an approximation of the PPM
of the solution.
Although the actual ppm may be a bit different, I assume it is not hugely
different. The important thing is the consistency of the meter from one
batch to the next. I know that each of my batches is similar to all the
others that I have made.
One day I made a quart mason jar of CS from a new gallon of distilled
water, and did my routine measurement after it was made.
I was not expecting anything different as the CS was clear and did not
show any cloudiness or anything.
I woke up in a hurry when the meter jumped to 200 plus.
Whoa, what is this? I measure it again. Still in excess of 200.
I then poured water from the new gallon jug and measured that. Also in
excess of 200.
The water was bad.
Why did my SG6 not refuse to make CS from this as it is supposed to?
I don't know. It looked like it went through its normal process, although
I was not really paying attention at the time.
Anyway, the meter showed that this jug of the distilled water I always buy
(Poland Springs) was bad.
That had never happened before and has not happened again since.
And that is why you need a meter and should always measure each batch that
you make.
Del
----- Original Message -----
From: <mailto:[email protected]>Neville Munn
To: <mailto:[email protected]>[email protected]
Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 7:38 PM
Subject: RE: CS>Silver Meter
[Any comments on this is appreciated]
-Sure, here's my thoughts on the subject...
[...basiclly has the same component inside as the Hanna PWT.]
-That'd be their way of saying "there isn't a meter 'off the shelf' that
is specifically designed to measure EIS" {without actually saying it!} cos
to my knowledge...there isn't. Meters used for EIS purposes
are...'guesswork using a measuring instrument'.
I got three meters and none of them are 'accurate?', but they get me in
the ballpark, which is only where I need to be. I know from laboratory
analysis that I got more *total* silver content than all my meters show,
but the meters fool me into determining *roughly* what silver content I
have and that's all I need to know <g>.
My question would be...How 'accurate' do you wanna be, or *need* to be?
Without laboratory analysis meters are only going to get you *in* the
ballpark, *you'll* have to pick the seat you think is the *best* seat once
you get *in* {using all that information about meters, calculations etc
etc available in the public domain}.
N.
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Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2010 04:40:56 -0800
From: [email protected]
To: [email protected]
Subject: CS>Silver Meter
Hello,
I'm looking for any thoughts on meters to check the ppm. Someone told me
you needed the Hanna PWT that costs about $60. I found a Hanna Primo for
half that. The fellow that told me about the PWT says he checked the
Primo and it wasn't accurate. I contacted the company that sold it to me
and they said it basiclly has the same component inside as the Hanna
PWT. I would like to be able to be fairly certain what ppm I'm
making. Any comments on this is appreciated.
-Thanks Gary
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