/The various CROFT unit(s) are also closely based on
CLARK theme, at 20-kHz Freq./
/that once again...has not convinced me (IMO), that even with
Orgonite...IT WORKS?/
/Orgone Technology is considered 'Pseudo-Science'...not based on Real
Technology/
/and typically when I see Orgonite included in product-discussion,
raises Red Flag's!http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orgone see Quackwatch
Link-at-End, of Orogone WiKi... (CROFT...basically same as CLARK, with
Orgonite, Xtals, Magnets...for Marketing!)/
Croft Zappers /*do not*/ run at 20hz. I own 2 of them, and don't need
convincing, /*I have blood tests that prove they reduce virus load*/,
and kill pathogens. If you know nothing about Orgone, then please don't
talk about it, or you make yourself sound silly. Crystals have very
clear scientific properties, Amethyst for example gives off measurable
negative ions and FAR. IBM's chief researcher proved without a doubt,
under laboratory conditions, that crystals do in fact have some pretty
amazing properties. If anyone doubts orgone, I'd be happy to send a
piece if you pay for postage, toss it next to your bed, then come back
here and tell everyone it doesn't work - ready to take the challenge?
The best part about Orgonite is it doesn't require any belief to do
something, in fact, I encourage people to believe it does nothing!
Quackwatch? I guess you aren't aware, the man in charge of that site is
funded by Big-Pharma, and himself isn't actually a licensed doctor. Its
basically a well funded, covert dis-information website. Even mentioning
Quackwatch pretty much destroyed your credibility with me. Mr. (Not
Dr.) Barret has been revealed to be the charlatan he really is already,
on countless other lists, and countless amounts of evidence to back it up.
Dok Dallas wrote:
Sorry could not reply earlier, but off-line for several
days...I'm still scanning stack 750+
emails, wondering why Zillions of NET-TRONS...being abused,
Running-in-Circles?<g>
My goodness...looked like another "INDI-500" event (Older
Members will get humor ];-)
First off, I'm NOT QUALIFIED to Provide (ANY)
MEDICAL ADVICE, but can...offer my
Engineering Resources, to perhaps help you penetrate the Fog-of-Zapper
Products..?
All recent (pathogen) ZAPPERS are based on either
FREQUENCY/(cell-shakers), or
much older (dating to late 1880's) Electro-Medical Field...of
GALVANIC/(ION-PUMP).
Prior to 1940's/50's, GALVANIC Medical/Surgical devices were widely
used in U.S.A.
School friend's Father in 1950's was an MD using Galvanic/Treatment
devices, I Saw.
Dr. Robert O. Becker first studied LVDC/(micro-current),
Iontophoresis...1970's~>90's.
Fall of 1990, Dr's. Kaali & Leyman used DC micro-currents off Platinum
electrodes, to
de-activate pathogenic organisms, later enhanced in 1991, by Dr.
Robert C. Beck who introduced 4-Hz Bi-Phasic ION-TRAP/PUMP,
to offer first IN-VIRO/BIO-SAFE Zapper~
BECK used 0.67~>4 Hz BiPhasic DC reversal, to Orchestrate/Trap, IONIC
migrations!
Becks 4Hz Zapper Traps/NIXs...all "BAD" ION activity within 1~3 mm of
SS electrode
then lets BIO-SAFE Na+ Ion in Salt Water, enter body via sweat-ducts,
osmosis, etc.
Risk of ION-MIGRATION is ZERO @ 4Hz Trap...Safe Na+ Ion's
(Push/Pull)...1~3mm?
Lot-of-speculation, on what happens inside-body, but Cells
Do-Use...Na+/K+ PUMPS
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NaKATPase
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electrophysiology
DC (metallic) Electrodes, at Liquid-Interface, promote Interfacial
(Nernst) Electrolysis,
with (+) Electrode making Acids and (-) Electrode making Alkalies,
like~LYE/(NaOH).
Serious RISK, known since the 1850's...Beck's 4-Hz ION-TRAP,
Neutralized Danger~
BTW: All EIS Generators are Technically Ag+ ION Pumps & WE-LOVE Ag+
IONS (;-)
GODZILLA is Modified Beck (Galvanic) ION-PUMP...without, ION-SAFETY
Features!!!
After only few seconds steady DC...ZILLA-is-a-KILLA...Ions and Lye,
Going-Maverick!
ZILLA users are told "EVERYTHING-is-OK", if you swap (+/-) wire @ 30
sec~>5 min.!
Inexpensive pH Test strip(s)...one under (-) Trode and one under (+)
Trode, shows pH!
Litmus pH Skin Test
http://catalog.miniscience.com/catalog/pH_Papers/Default.html
On June 20, 2008...LYE/(NaOH)/DRAINO-RASH WARNINGS POSTED to Y-GROUP!
Both owner 'bG' & member 'V' continuing to either Promote/Sell
'DC-ZILLA' Products~
leading to hundreds-more, Getting LYE-BURNS & TOXIC-IONS...PUMPED in BODY?
(ION-FLAVORS included; Cream-0-Copper, Nasty-Nickle &
Aluminum-for-Alzheimers)
NOTE: ZILLA Group owner "bG" Approves/Blocks POST...so
members...Live-in-Dark
while being told NOTHING WRONG, burns-are-normal...just back-off
and try Alovera.
Zilla, Insight~> http://tinyurl.com/yehrubn WARNING: showing very
Graphic Burns..!
(Hopefully ZILLA users will WAKE-UP to GALVANIC/ION-DANGERS before
too-late)
Not my Group, but I wrote
cover: http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/TRONS4BECK
(As time permits...may assist Trons, to NIX some Technical Distortions
on Zappers..!)
After doing quick/short [search] on Kristeen's condition's, I'm still
NOT, exactly-sure?
Zapper's (if they work, at all?) typically need to TARGET Pathogens;
germ, virus, etc.
but there are many illnesses that may be of METABOLIC origin...where
zappers (O)?
(Presume you already looked into Vitamin B-12,
as potentially-source, of symptoms)
I'm not even sure (any) ZAPPER would be of value in response to your
conditions, but
as I read your original-posting here, you wanted-input
on-selecting-one of two-options.
Also, being in the UK, are not wishing to go for Import-options...thus
making it easier.
Both of the (two) e-Bay Units available to you in UK, do-appear...to
be closely related
to Electrical Performance specifications found in (original), Hulda
Clark ZAPPER(s)...
However, they may still-fail to Address your (specific)
Needs...they appear...SAFE??
While IMO, personally question Clark Zapper Results...'IF' that's what
you want, OK?
Zappers over 10 Hz, are typically ION-SAFE, due to short cycle, Clark
has DC offset!
(CLARK...rooted mostly in FREQUENCY/(Bug-Shaker) tiny-pinch of
Galvanic/off-set)
The various CROFT unit(s) are also closely based on
CLARK theme, at 20-kHz Freq.
that once again...has not convinced me (IMO), that even with
Orgonite...IT WORKS?
Orgone Technology is considered 'Pseudo-Science'...not based on Real
Technology
and typically when I see Orgonite included in product-discussion,
raises Red Flag's!http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orgone see Quackwatch
Link-at-End, of Orogone WiKi...
(CROFT...basically same as CLARK, with Orgonite, Xtals, Magnets...for
Marketing!)
Dok Dallas (Kristeen contact me by <private> email...if I might help
further Quest?)
--- On *Sun, 4/25/10, Kirsteen Wright
/<[email protected]>/* wrote:
No, I'm pretty sure I don't. I have M.E. (myalgic encephalomeyelitis
not to be confused with chronic fatigue though politicians keep tryint
to), pernicious aneamia, alpha 1 antitrypsin deficiency and the
unfortunate ability to keep food in my stomach completely undigested
but in extreme pain for anythiing up to 48 hours when, if I manage to
sick it back up, it looks and smells exactly the same as when I ate
it. Sorry if that's gross but you did ask <VBG> Cheers Kirsteen
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