I try and make a point of not recommending a specific CS supplier and in this case a specific pain reducer. I don't want to appear to have a bias and they are only my opinion. What I would look for in a device might not be what you need. There were several different suppliers mentioned in a previous discussion on this within the last couple of months. Ode had a concept for one that might be very useable and lower cost but I don't know if he is pursuing it. (It would also make CS). Your question would be better answered by some of the silver-listers that have tried the different pain reducers.
- Steve N -----Original Message----- From: needling around [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Monday, September 27, 2010 6:22 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: CS>voltage meter/ CELL VOLTAGE & Dr. Tennant's book Hi Steve, Would you mind sharing the names of devices that you feel are as good or better than the biomodulator? I am in the market and would be interested in your opinion. Thank you. PT ----- Original Message ----- From: "Norton, Steve" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, September 27, 2010 9:04 PM Subject: Re: CS>voltage meter/ CELL VOLTAGE & Dr. Tennant's book I have not said that Dr Tennant's device does not work. I am sure that it does. At least to some extent. His device is based on well known technology that studies have proven to provide pain relief and healing. However there are other devices on the market that are as good as or better than Dr Tennant's device. What I have taken issue with is his claims for how and why his device works. Actually, my original intent was to explain that you cannot measure cell voltage with a voltmeter. That then led to explaining that the -20 mV to -25 mV referred to by Dr Tennant is an artificial value used by digital pH meters and absolutely meaningless relative to the actual voltage of a cell. First a couple of quotes from Tennant's web site. http://www.tennantinstitute.com/TIIM_MAC/Dr._Tennants_Story.html "Each cellular biology book gave passing notice to the fact that cells require a narrow range of pH, but little more was discussed on the subject. He began to look at pH and discovered that it is a measurement of the voltage in a solution. It is measured with a sophisticated voltmeter. If the solution is an electron donor, a minus sign is placed in front of the voltage. If the solution is an electron stealer, a plus sign is placed in front of the voltage. The measured voltage is then converted to a logarithmic scale from 0-14 with zero corresponding to +400 millivolts of electron stealer to -400 millivolts corresponding to a pH of 14. Cell are designed to run at about -20 millivolts (pH 7.35). Dr. Tennant began to understand that cells must have enough voltage to work and that chronic disease was associated with loss of voltage. Next he had to find out how to measure the voltage and then how to correct it." Ok, so Tennant is referring to the voltage of a pH meter. http://www.tennantinstitute.com/TIIM_MAC/Energetic_Medicine.html "One can tap into either wiring system to measure the voltage in the organs. It is difficult to use a voltmeter to measure the organ voltage because voltage surges about every six seconds. Thus we commonly use an ohmmeter to measure and then convert that to voltage. There are several devices designed to accurately and reproducibly measure organ voltage like the Nakatani (MEAD) system, the Voll systems, and the Tennant Biomodulator. By placing one of these devices onto a wire known to go to each organ, one can know the voltage in that organ. Cells in the adult human are designed to run at -20 to -25 millivolts and to heal at -50 millivolts. The minus sign means that the voltage is an electron donor. If the voltage drops to the point the solution is an electron stealer, we put a plus sign in front of the voltage. Cancer occurs at +30 millivolts." If you do a search on the Nakatani (MEAD) system and the Voll systems you will find that neither measures organ voltages much less cell voltages. Apparently the Tennant Biomodulator uses an ohmmeter for measurement and then converts the ohm reading to a voltage. Theoretically a voltage could look like a resistance if it has the opposite polarity of the voltage used by the ohmmeter and a magnitude less than the voltage used by the ohmmeter. However this method as used would be fraught with potential errors. And even if you got a measurement, it would not be the voltage of a cell. What is the voltage of a cell? Not -20 to -25 millivolts. Not -50 millivolts. But -70 millivolts for a resting cell. See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resting_potential "The resting voltage is the result of several ion-translocating enzymes (uniporters, cotransporters, and pumps) in the plasma membrane, steadily operating in parallel, whereby each ion-translocator has its characteristic electromotive force (= reversal potential = 'equilibrium voltage'), depending on the particular substrate concentrations inside and outside (internal ATP included in case of some pumps). H+ exporting ATPase render the membrane voltage in plants and fungi much more negative than in the more extensively investigated animal cells, where the resting voltage is mainly determined by selective ion channels. In most neurons the resting potential has a value of approximately -70 mV. The resting potential is mostly determined by the concentrations of the ions in the fluids on both sides of the cell membrane and the ion transport proteins that are in the cell membrane. How the concentrations of ions and the membrane transport proteins influence the value of the resting potential is outlined below." There is also a voltage associated with what are called excitable cells. Excitable cells include neurons, muscle cells, and endocrine cells. At rest, their voltage is -70 mV and increases to approximately +40 mV when activated. See Figure 1 at: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Action_potential "Action potentials occur in several types of animal cells, called excitable cells, which include neurons, muscle cells, and endocrine cells. In neurons, they play a central role in cell-to-cell communication. In other types of cells, their main function is to activate intracellular processes. In muscle cells, for example, an action potential is the first step in the chain of events leading to contraction.[citation needed] In beta cells of the pancreas, they provoke release of insulin.[1] Action potentials in neurons are also known as "nerve impulses" or "spikes", and the temporal sequence of action potentials generated by a neuron is called its "spike train". A neuron that emits an action potential is often said to "fire". All cells in animal body tissues are electrically polarized-in other words, they maintain a voltage difference across the cell's plasma membrane, known as the membrane potential. This electrical polarization results from a complex interplay between protein structures embedded in the membrane called ion pumps and ion channels. In neurons, the types of ion channels in the membrane usually vary across different parts of the cell, giving the dendrites, axon, and cell body different electrical properties. As a result, some parts of the membrane of a neuron may be excitable (capable of generating action potentials) while others are not. The most excitable part of a neuron is usually the axon hillock (the point where the axon leaves the cell body), but the axon and cell body are also excitable in most cases. ... Each excitable patch of membrane has two important levels of membrane potential: the resting potential, which is the value the membrane potential maintains as long as nothing perturbs the cell, and a higher value called the threshold potential. At the axon hillock of a typical neuron, the resting potential is around -70 millivolts (mV) and the threshold potential is around -55 mV. Synaptic inputs to a neuron cause the membrane to depolarize or hyperpolarize; that is, they cause the membrane potential to rise or fall. Action potentials are triggered when enough depolarization accumulates to bring the membrane potential up to threshold. When an action potential is triggered, the membrane potential abruptly shoots upward, often reaching as high as +100 mV, then equally abruptly shoots back downward, often ending below the resting level, where it remains for some period of time. The shape of the action potential is stereotyped; that is, the rise and fall usually have approximately the same amplitude and time course for all action potentials in a given cell." As you can see, the voltages discussed by Dr Tennant have nothing at all to do with actual cell voltages. And I don't even want to touch his frequencies and essential oil assertions. - Steve N -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: <mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe> Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: <mailto:[email protected]> List Owner: Mike Devour <mailto:[email protected]>
