To all interested list members.
I will try to shed a little light on this nebulizer-mist
protocol discussion; at least to the limit of my present knowledge. There are
several considerations involved in this issue.....I will try to address those of
which I have some direct knowledge.
First, the issue of using saline solutions. We did use
saline solutions in several of our protocols----some with CS....and some
without.
Because of the surface tension variations between saline and distilled water,
saline is more readily passed through epithelial tissue, than is plain water.
However, we found that it was the suspended "particle size" moreso than the type
of H2O solution, that made the principal difference as to whether or not
bronchial
spasm occurred. Additionally, the "fluid density" had an effect as to whether
or
not bronchial spasm occurred (e.g. as the mist concentration went up, the
likelihood of spasm increased---without regard to the solutions; so long as no
tissue-irritants were included).
There is another consideration----the depth and duration of the
inhalation.
Long (8 seconds, plus) inhalations caused much more bronchial spasm, than did
shorter ones (5 to 6 seconds)----no matter what the nature of the fluid solution
being employed.
Additionally, the pressure setting had an influence on both the
volume and the velocity of the mist-stream. Because of this, to overcome spasms
(when they occurred in susceptible volunteers) from this cause, we simply
reduced
the driving pressure to about 20 psi. This adjustment, in almost every case,
solved the problem of bronchial spasm. Please remember that there is very wide
variation in the pulmonary capacity, and response, among every age group. Also,
remember that the existing condition of the volunteer's pulmonary system, has a
pronounced influence in their immediate response to any externally-imposed
"insult".....beneficial or otherwise. Most formal physicians, especially
alleopaths, have little patience in addressing these variations----choosing
instead---more of a one-size must fit all, approach. I do not mean to be
denigrating, but this is just the way things are.
Both penetration distance and volunteer's tolerance were
affected
by the particle size characteristic. The mist-stream geometry yielded by the
nebulizer was the determining factor between acceptable and non-acceptable
variations. Some rather costly main-stream medical-supply nebulizers were
"completely unacceptable" when examined for this characteristic. The very
economically-priced (less than $10.00) artist's airbrush was superior to
most----for this characteristic. While it is true that our little $10.00
airbrush
was more than adequate, although being a single-action, internal mix device;
the
"best" droplet-size and flow-control came from our double-action, internal mix
airbrushes (cost about $50.00). We did not deem the improvement worth the
additional cost----for our experimental/research purposes.
No matter the assumed cause for bronchial spasm among your
experimental population, I suggest the FIRST correction you might consider is
reducing the driving pressure of the airstream (or O2 source). I repeat; we
have
found that the major cause for bronchial spasm to be the "Volume" and geometry
of
suspended liquid delivered within the time-window of a given inhalation----and
not
the specific nature (exluding tissue-irritants) of the solutions used.
I hope this information is of value to the discussion.
Sincerely. Brooks Bradley.
p.s. There are other, secondary considerations such as the variation of the
"cough reflex" among individuals, but they are not, really, germane to this
discussion.
Katarina Wittich wrote:
> Hi Guys,
> I have a lot of questions about this issue of non-salinated mist from a
> nebulizer irritating lungs -- and what happens to CS when combined with
> saline water.
>
> When my husband used the nebulizer with cs to get rid of his bronchitus it
> definitely worked on the bronchitus -- but it also irritated his lungs.
> Maybe just a sprayer doesn't because it doesn't get as deep as a nebuliser.
> But Brooks Bradley never mentioned using saline in his protocol. Maybe he
> has some answers? Brooks?
>
> Alsohen I use cs spray for my sinuses it stings a bit. When I irrigate with
> salinated water it doesn't so I wondered about adding the cs to the
> salinated water and whether it would form harmful compounds as jd is
> suggesting.
>
> Anyone got answers?
> Katarina
>
> > Subject: CS>nebulized CS
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> > I have a question about nebulizing CS for bronchitis...I am a Resp.
> > Therapist and we were strongly warned not to nebulize liquids without saline
> > as it could/would cause bronchospasm.
> > Are people adding saline with the CS?
> > Connie
> > ^ ^
> >>>''<<
> > U
> >
> > Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 11:11:26 -0500
> > From: "Nutritional Intelligence Cooperative of North America"
> <[email protected]>
> > To: <[email protected]>
> > Subject: Re: CS>nebulized CS and saline
> > Message-ID: <004001bf0902$f4e20160$3a354...@compaq>
> >
> > what amount of liquid are you referring to? are you speaking of liquid
> > drugs? colloidal silver on the order of 15ppm or less is non-irritating
> > when sprayed into the eyes (at least if it is clear, made by high voltage
> > AC, whereas a liquid drug would most likely be highly irritating,
> > depending upon the drug.
> > I have never experienced any irritation or spasms when i inhale atomised or
> > misted colloidal silver. i use a nasal mister and a sprayer that i inhale.
> >
> > i know that when i mix other elements with the colloidal silver i get a
> > cloudy or even blackish colored solution, something i definitely would not
> > inhale or spray in my eyes.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > jd
>
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