FYI, I just found out the "reducing agent" they use says on the bottle "dextrin carbohydrate". Don't know if that helps. They say to mix the powder in for 5 minutes, then heat on a burner.
David On Fri, Apr 27, 2012 at 5:03 PM, Jim Holmes <[email protected]> wrote: > Hello Marshall, et al > > How much Vitamin C do you add for aprox 10PPM sol made with Bruce Marx's > device. > > Has the issue of Ionic v. particulate been resolved? Can you comment? > > Thank you, > > Jim > > > On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 9:06 AM, Marshall <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Hydrogen peroxide is what is called a redox agent, it both reduces and >> oxidizes. For silver here are the equations: >> >> Ag + H2O2 -> H2O + AgO >> AgO + H2O2 -> Ag + H2O + O2 >> >> To make pure colloid from ionic one can add vitamin C, ascorbic acid, >> which is only a reducing/antioxidant. >> >> Marshall >> >> >> >> >> >> On 4/25/2012 7:49 AM, Ode Coyote wrote: >> >> >> >> H2O2 and silver goes both ways. >> >> The Bell rocket belt is powered by H2O2 sprayed on a silver grid, >> producing steam. >> H2O2 will make silver oxides AND unmake them. >> >> Ode >> >> >> At 03:55 PM 4/24/2012 -0500, you wrote: >> >> I don't think that H2O2 or Oxyclean qualify as "reducing agents" since >> they are oxidizers. >> >> Dan >> >> On Mon, Apr 23, 2012 at 6:57 AM, Ode Coyote <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> > >> > I see quite a number of mis-truths in the manual. >> > >> > Electrolysis using only pure water and pure silver makes no >> > photo-reactive >> > compounds, thus no need for colored glass to store it. >> > >> > The photo showing particles was done using a TEM which requires drying >> > the >> > sample which CREATES those particles of silver oxide...they weren't in >> > the >> > water at all. >> > >> > Adding H2O2 to a fresh batch will make it flash brownish...likely >> > Tetrasilver Tetroxide, a patented germ killer that is touted to work by >> > in >> > vivo ion exchange. >> > Their reducing agent might be similar to "Oxyclean" an H2O2 based >> > bleach. >> > [Turn your Golden hair into Platinum and have even more fun, girls. ] >> > The "non measurable particles" would be a form of silver oxide. [There >> > are 4 >> > or 5 different forms of silver oxide ] >> > >> > It's Silver Oxide that makes CS look yellow or amber...the same black >> > stuff >> > that collects on one electrode when using the DC method and makes the >> > golden >> > mist when the current density is too high so that it forms in the water >> > instead of staying on the electrode. >> > If you dip a black electrode in H2O2, it destroys that black stuff just >> > like >> > it clears out the yellow /amber color out of the CS. >> > >> > Scrubbing the electrodes is a shear waste of silver. >> > The dull appearance is due to pitting of the surface, not >> > contamination...so, bulldoze a mountain to remove a creek bed? >> > >> > Their method for using the TDS meter is backwards, but may give a nearly >> > accurate number by accident if done under the right conditions. >> > ..makes the CS look stronger than it really is. >> > I think that both the ions [Ag+] AND anions [OH-] add conductivity and >> > they >> > will reach a balance of mutual encounter probabilities according to >> > concentration. [the max being 30 uS ] >> >  Also "some" silver oxide will dissolve in the water and stay that >> > way, >> > adding to conductivity and not making particles big enough to be >> > seen...but >> > not much. >> > The number you get from a meter doesn't match the number derived from an >> > aa >> > spectrophotometer [which ACTUALLY measures PPM, but doesn't >> > differentiate >> > forms of silver ] until the conductivity stops dropping. >> > >> > That's counting apples to see how many oranges you have, but both fruits >> > are >> > about the same size. [once the lemons and limes that CAN turn into the >> > oranges you are trying to count, turn into those oranges ] >> > >> > More? >> > >> > What stir rate does to the numbers and size of silver hydroxide chunks. >> > Why Fred Sprauge [now deceased] who once made the illustrious >> > microprocessor >> > controlled Custom Electronics LLC "Smart Silver" generator changed his >> > stirrer to a direct copy after trying to figure it out for 7 years. >> > >> > What electrode tip discharge does to current density and electrode >> > erosion. >> > [Bend those tips slightly away from each other and the electrodes will >> > last >> > a lot longer...better yet, get the tips out of the water...something >> > else >> > that the "Smart Silver" copied and Fred admitted to.] >> > >> >  "Sorry 'bout that Ode"..It's OK Fred. >> > We both learned something when we traded units and mixed the parts. >> > He was a good guy with a good product that didn't need distortions and >> > emotional manipulation to sell itself. >> > Who better to share a market with ? >> > >> > Ode >> > >> > >> > >> > At 10:52 AM 4/22/2012 -0700, you wrote: >> > >> > http://www.silverlungs.com/latest_user_manual_hm_ez_v.pdf >> > >> > The manual for SilverLungs describes adding a "reducing agent" to >> > convert an >> > ionic solution to a colloidal silver. They have a photo of it turning >> > amber >> > color. Any idea what it is, and if it is legit? >> > >> > David >> >> >> -- >> The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. >> Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org >> >> Unsubscribe: >> <mailto:[email protected]?subjectsubscribe> >> Archives: >> http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/maillist.html >> >> Off-Topic discussions: <mailto:[email protected]> >> List Owner: Mike Devour <mailto:[email protected]> >> >> >
