Thanks, Ode. You are the best de-bunker around! PT
________________________________ From: Ode Coyote <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Tue, December 4, 2012 8:33:14 AM Subject: Re: CS>Ag4O4 Silver.. is it better? Where to get it? How is it made? Barwick is a fear mongering deceptive cr double oh k and that CS maker is worth about $50. [$350 worth of bluff and BS] His ad copy is designed to "Phish for Ignorance" and sort out the "Believers" who will not question anything, especially their own judgement [perfect "Marks" ], makes no sense and is full of mixed terms and direct contradictions..and he knows it. [Will thump Bible and hurl childish insults if challanged] His blogs are edited to ferret out any question or dissent [total control of content] to maintain the appearance of perfection and god hood. Floods the media with 'bait and switch' articles with fearful headlines, negated in fine print, buried on page 4. [I screamed at you to be very afraid, but didn't mean what I said..if you believed the headline, you need to learn how to read past second grade level...and that's a quote. ] Steve spends a lot more money on "advertising" [con games] than product function and quality. Contents: [from memory] 1] partially disassembled aquarium pump [$5 at walmart] 1] .02 cent 1/4 watt resistor to limit current to 40 milliamps [prevents fires if electrodes short together] 1] $3 transformer to drop line voltage 1] $1-$2 rectifier bridge to get DC 1] capacitor to smooth the ripples [maybe] 1] LED to show it's running 1] big nearly empty box [$8] with a tamper seal and dire warning so you won't look inside to see how empty and shoddy it all is. [ judicious use of a heat gun gets around that ] ..but it does seem to work OK...and all those bubbles between the electrodes probably do reduce current draw significantly. Repeatable results? Don't see how. Ionic silver is ions. Silver Ions , by definition, only come in ONE size...period. NO CS maker using water and electricity makes anything BUT ions. HVAC, HVDC, LVAC, LVDC....all ions. Particles come later according to environment. MOST of the particles are not pure silver [Mostly AgOH and AgO plus whatever was formed by reaction with various water contaminants...some of which probably comes from air dissolving into the water....via bubbler? ] There are ways to tweek the environment and a good generator design can get a handle on some factors, but generally so many variables in the home environment that total control is impossible. [Fortunately **usage** gives us a lot of leeway ] Affordable real time monitoring based on conductivity [like a PPM meter] has it's nuances [as does a PPM meter], but better than nothing. [or a clock/timer, which is pretty close to nothing ] Ode At 01:58 PM 12/3/2012 -0600, you wrote: I am checking into the best CS maker I could get and afford. Steve >Barwick is always advertising his micro maker which is supposed to >absorb better in your system? But is expensive. All advice >appreciated (Ode). > >On 12/3/12, Alex Flex <[email protected]> wrote: >> Thanks Ode, >> >> Two questions remain .... >> >> If they use hyrogen peroxide in the process at HVAC, wouldnt that also >> produce only silver particles, I had the understanding it did? >> Does this Ag4O4 offer increased bioavailability then regular ionic silver? >> >> Thanks >> Alex >> >> On 12/03/2012 04:59 AM, Ode Coyote wrote: >>> >>> >>> They get the oxide coating by using peroxide in the process. [They >>> don't say where, when or how much] >>> At higher AC frequencies, the voltage has to be high enough to get the >>> ion going fast enough to get away from the electrodes so the polarity >>> reversal every 50th or 60th of a second won't suck them back on. >>> The results are the same using slow frequency, low voltage AC. >>> A higher frequency in a given voltage range tends to favor Silver >>> Oxide formation whereas a slower frequency tends to favor Silver >>> Hydroxide. >>> >>> Ode >>> >>> >>> At 10:10 PM 12/1/2012 -0600, you wrote: >>>> Hello Guys... >>>> >>>> Iam a bit confused, as far as I understand there exists 3 types of CS >>>> i know of: a.) Ionic based (What we all produce at home and prefer, >>>> b.) Particle based (which is said to not be able to kill pathogens >>>> because it lacks the positive charge that atracts negatively charged >>>> pathogens) and c.) The Ag4O4 compund which has the ability to steal >>>> multiple electronics instead of one comapred to the ION which can >>>> only steal one. >>>> >>>> My question is: >>>> >>>> a.) Who makes this compound? I have seen ASAP from American Biotech >>>> Labs (http://amsilver.com/ablDifference1.html) however their patent ( >>>> http://www.google.com/patents/US7135195 ) tells about making colloids >>>> (99% particles) so I dont understand how they get the Ag4O4 coating? >>>> Or os it that simply but doing an HVAC process we automatically get >>>> the Ag4O4 coatings on the particles? >>>> >>>> b.) Does anybody know of other products that work with Ag4O4? >>>> >>>> Thanks >>>> >>>> Alex >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. >>>> Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org >>>> <http://www.silverlist.org/> >>>> >>>> Unsubscribe: >>>> <mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe>>> >>>><mailto:[email protected]%3Fsubject=unsubscribe>> >>>> Archives: >>>> http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/maillist.html >>>> >>>> Off-Topic discussions: <mailto:[email protected]> >>>> List Owner: Mike Devour <mailto:[email protected]> >>>> >> >>
