I have certainly heard of Chronic Lyme folks with exactly what you are 
referring to, no brain fog but joint/collagen and lymph
issues. 

One thing you might try Mike is a course of salt/c for a few weeks and see if a 
Herx develops. Usually an excellent indication that
chronic lyme exists is the Jarisch-Herxheimer reaction to treatment. It is like 
feeling you have the flu without the runny nose or
cough. Salt/c is an extremely simple and cheap regimen that many Chronic Lyme 
sufferers use to good effect.

I can send more details if interested.

Scott Adams
I bet you know someone who has Chronic Lyme and doesn't realize it yet!
www.lyme-resource.com 


> -----Original Message-----
> From: M.G. Devour [mailto:[email protected]]
> Sent: Wednesday, December 04, 2013 6:46 AM
> To: silver-list
> Subject: Re: CS> Some updates from me...
> 
> Hi folks,
> 
> Following up on some of your questions and comments...
> 
> While I haven't participated as much as I would like to have, nor have I read 
> every post, I do regularly keep tabs on traffic and
topics.
> Which is why it has happened so often that a topic comes up that I needed 
> "just then." That's the case with CMO and Malcolm's
> remarks yesterday and this morning:
> 
> Malcolm wrote:
> > pain in shoulders makes the top shelf in the fridge almost impossible
> > for anything heavier than a half gallon of milk
> 
> Try just lifting the arm! <ouchie!>
> 
> > I'd given up on finding it again years ago but it looks like Jarrow
> > has something possibly the same or similar.  I'm gonna give it a try;
> > I'll let you know what comes of it.
> 
> > I had no help from the powder from beyond a century,
> 
> The powdered CMO from BaC was one of my disappointments as well. I did a 
> course of it late last year that didn't seem to do
> anything. At least some of what I'm possibly dealing with should be T-cell 
> mediated, so it ought to have had some effect. This
gives me
> an incentive to try again.
> Thank you!
> 
> PT wrote:
> > About the zapper, how are you avoiding burns?
> 
> I don't know. I'm very quick to move it if I get the slightest "bite."
> Other than that, I tend to keep it pretty tight against the skin to maximize 
> contact area. It's usually strapped to my calf with
the top of
> a men's sock, or my upper arm with an ACE elastic bandage. Per directions I 
> polish the electrodes almost daily to remove tarnish.
That
> would also prevent hot-spots forming that would concentrate current in a 
> small area. It doesn't help if you sweat, either!
> 
> > Have you considered frequency treatments for the joint and
> > inflammation issues?
> 
> Haven't gotten to that. So far the anti-inflammatories (Bromelain, 
> Boswelliaa, Turmeric, fish oil, Beta-Sitosterol) have gotten me
on
> top of the joint issues. I'm still working a number of other strategies that 
> I'm more familiar with and that are less costly.
> 
> I stand reminded, and if you have specific suggestions for me to check into 
> I'd like to hear them.
> 
> Scott wrote:
> > Mike have you ruled out Chronic Lyme disease or one of its
> > co-infections?
> > Your symptoms sound very similar to ones I hear frequently on my lyme
> > rife list.
> 
> Pretty much, but not definitely? I've done a lot of things that should have 
> affected anything bacterial, even late stage Lyme. I
also
> have mercury toxicity as a candidate for an underlying cause.
> 
> The loci seem to be connective tissue and lymphatic system. I have negligible 
>  neurological issues, none that are serious or
debilitating.
> None of the characteristic "brain fog," for instance.
> 
> It's still something I consider. If as I tell more of my story over time 
> you've seen similar patterns in others, please let me
know.
> 
> Thank you for being here, everyone.
> 
> Be well!
> 
> Mike D.
> 
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