In a message dated 00-04-11 09:07:39 EDT, you write:

<< Subj:     Re: CS>long and winding oxides 
 Date:  00-04-11 09:07:39 EDT
 From:  [email protected] (coyote)
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  My apologies, I take a deep breath and a start over with more respect.
 
  What I see is a black coating on one of the rods, sometimes on the glass
 between the rods with a varience of color ranging from black to brown to
 yellowish with the black directly under one rod and the yellowish stuff
 directly below the other but only really visible if the glass is lit from
 the bottom. If I stir it up, the water turns the average color of the
 coating on the glass, usually brownish yellow.
  What I see if I make a batch mof CS that has a color is that the color, be
 it yellowish or brownish or even black will deposit on the glass of the
 container after being left undisturbed for several days or weeks.
  I can post a photo.
  The remaining liquid is clear with a good T.E. and strong metallic flavor
 as before storage, though perhaps not quite as strong.
  If I place h202 onto that color smear, it vanishes.
  I presume silver oxides because silver oxides have a dark color [or so I
 believe from handling dental and photographic waste] and find references to
 various silver oxides being formed under those conditions. I find no
 reference to the range of possible colors.
  I have had experience in  the distant past with electroplating gold, lead,
 copper and zinc and seen what various amperages do to the finish. [rough
 and burnt looking to smooth and shiny] This CS thing is a bit different but
 somewhat related.
 
  What is it that I am looking at?
  >>

Any metal will appear black if its particle size is small enough and probably 
within a range of colors for a variety of particle size distributions. Using 
color for identification purposes is fraught with difficulties UNLESS you 
have confimed the type of substance by other means FIRST and through 
experience with the identical process and materials you generate "mental 
correlations".

As far as oxidizing silver is concerned, someone who has the data can 
calculate the standard free energy of reaction for,

2Ag + H2O2 ----> Ag2O + H2O

You will need the standard free energy of formation for H2O2, Ag2O, and H2O 
to do the math. I don't have the data, but my guess is that the reaction 
produces A LOT of negative free energy, i.e., it goes to to the right quite 
easily.

Roger Altman 


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