Hi Robert, Your "Just because it is monatomic does not mean it is dissolved, it is still colloidal." , Is intriguing. Can you explain in more detail, or refer me to a text?
There has been on the list much discussion of what is a charged colloid in comparison to a dissolved monatomic atom. I have never-to my satisfaction understood these issues. By most common definition an ion is a 'charged' particle, whether it be a molecule, atom, or clump of identical atoms. The term says nothing about the mechanism creating the charge. I have previously thought that the definition of "in solution" was a single atom with its valence charge presenting. What is the demonstration that only single atoms are sintered during electrolysis? Are "free electrons" removed from the metal crystal at the anode or cathode in DC Ag electrolysis? How does that work in a AC electrolysis as the electrodes shift between being positive and negative? If only single atoms are sintered, what then determines the rate of and size of formation of the clusters? It seems to me there would have to be complementary charges for some of them to be attracted to one another, and if so, why, especially with a DC process, are some positive and some negative? Or, Iare their relative velocities great enough to overcome the columbic repulsion? How do you differentiate a single atomic colloid from a single dissolved atom in almost pure water? is this based on theory or observation or both? I am unfamiliar with Cooper paring, and will check it out. If you have a handy reference, I would like to have it. I still do not understand the generation of the positive charge on an Ag sol particle. Doesn't the metal crystal have zero net charge? If so, where is the negative balance to the positive cluster originating, if all of the charges are balanced in the clump? If it is the loss of a single electron it would have to come from one Ag atom. Is there a proton somewhere that could be the source of the charge? I am just now learning the basics of Ag electrochemistry, and am still somewhat muddled so please be patient with my gaps in fundamentals. And thanks for explaining much, as you have. James Osbourne Holmes [email protected] FTNWO -----Original Message----- From: Robert Dohr [SMTP:[email protected]] Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2000 1:57 PM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: CS>MSM & M-States Greetings James Osbourne, Holmes; You wrote: >It seems unlikely that Ag is in an M state because it is not monatomic as a sol. If it is monatomic; it is dissolved, not colloidal. # As single atoms of ionic silver sinter off they are monatomic. Just because it is monatomic does not mean it is dissolved, it is still colloidal. Especially at higher currents some may sinter off in larger clusters than single atoms but they have broken the metal-metal bond because the free electron has been removed. >Very small clusters of atoms have unusual properties, not all related to a high spin state. # True enough, the properties of an atom in a high spin state are unique. >My very limited knowledge of M-states is that it can occur only with a single atom of Au, and that only under certain conditions related to the way the gold is put into a single atom form with a high spin state. # Gold is not the only m-state element. The entire PGE (Platinum Group Elements) can exist in an m-state, as well as a number of others. More have been found recently. Silver is said to transition in and out of m-state easier than most. The high spin state refers to monatomics whos free electron have been pushed out of its valance shell. This results in an Assymetrically Deformed Nuclei in a High Spin State. Or in some cases by Cooper Pairing with another atom, but this is not a metal-metal bond. >Regardless, it is a subject worthy of investigation. But by those far more knowledgeable than myself. # I agree. That is the reason for my original post. NAMASTE' Beldohr ____________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: [email protected] -or- [email protected] with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: [email protected] Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour <[email protected]>
