There may even be one form out there that actually fits the theory below. One thing IS clear: it's a lot easier to produce HVAC than it is to characterize the CS produced ESPECIALLY with regard to its germ killing power.
"Not to pick on you, so please don't take this the wrong way (as I consider you to be a valuable asset to the list, and the colloidal silver community in general (some of your research is outstanding! IMHO)), however, I've never gotten a really good rebuttal for the following... I quote an old lister who says it best... "In an AC powered operation as some others are promoting, where the polarity is constantly switched, other undesirable things may happen; it is known that in all electro-colloidal silver generating processes, some charge stripping of silver ions does occur as they come in contact with the cathode, resulting in their gaining electrons, and the resulting reduction to atomic silver particles (without the charge that is said to produce the pathogen disabling effect.) In a DC system, these reduced metallic particles remain as a grayish 'sludge' buildup on the surface of the cathode, and eventually are very visible at higher current levels. In a system where the polarity is switched constantly (as in AC), this sludge is propelled and dispersed back into the water continuously, as evidenced by the 'clean electrodes' spoken of." He then goes on to say... "Mechanical effects of redispersal of plated out silver "sludge" from the cathode will occur at higher concentrations and especially at higher currents, especially if AC is used, resulting in much coarser, uncharged metallic silver particles than may be desired floating about in your product. Filtering with good lab quality filter media may be able to remove some of this "non-ionic" silver; settling of most of the really larger particle "clumps" might also occur within 72 hours, I'd estimate, if the particles are not too fine. I guess the question is this; are the positively charged colloidal silver ions, (as produced in a DC process), what you want in your product, or do you want non-charged 'non-ionic' metallic silver particles, as produced in the AC processes? From what I have researched and what I understand at this time, I'd stay with Dr. Becker's recommendations myself, and try to produce the positively charged Colloidal Silver Ions with a DC process." The old lister that I'm quoting above is none other than Bruce Stenulson and for those that are interested, he's got a wonderful site up with tons of colloidal silver info. His main CS pages are... http://web.idirect.com/~showcase/althealth/makecs.htm The above is a great technical page http://web.idirect.com/~showcase/althealth/cspulse.htm The above tells one how to make a CS Generator / Zapper in great detail http://web.idirect.com/~showcase/althealth/csdisc.htm The above is some choice discussions from the silver list from a few years ago, but still applicable Yours in health, James Allison" A couple of weeks ago I described three separate ways to make HVAC CS. Allow me to cut and paste it below. I can't speak to using conductivity of other analytical techniques to measure the silver concentration, but from my experience it may be possible to make three different types of CS because you can alter the HVAC process at least three ways. (1)The first way is to have both electrodes in the water. The production rate is very slow. (2)The second way is to have only one electrode in the water while the second electrode is above the water which forms an arc. The production rate is probably faster, but I've never actually measured the difference in production rate between (1) & (2). (3)The third way is to use the same set-up as in (2), but by varying the wire diameter, selecting the height the electrode is above the surface, and carefully manipulating the power supply voltage and water conductance , you can begin to melt the silver and "sputter" it off the electrode surface. The production rate here is probably 100 or more times faster than (1) or (2) and you can make any concentration you want (into the hundreds of ppm) that is completely stable over time. Another bonus is that you don't have to use distilled water if you're in the pinch (although I never considered using anything else). Are we to believe that one mechanism to describe particle charge (or lack there of) and shape fits all of the above? Roger Altman --------------------------------------------- -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: [email protected] -or- [email protected] with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: [email protected] Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour <[email protected]>
