Hi Ivan and everybody, Thanks for the in-depth discussion of the herx.
James Osbourne Holmes [email protected] FTNWO -----Original Message----- From: Ivan Anderson [SMTP:[email protected]] Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2000 5:21 AM To: Silver-List Subject: Re: CS>"Innoculating" Ourselves with CS Marshall writes : I believe that having a herx reaction is consistent with the outright destruction of pathogens, not interferring with just reproduction. Also the very rapid "curing" of such things as flu in an hour or two is consistant with the destruction of the pathogen. If you use Elderberry extract which has been shown to actually prevent reproduction, the time to recover is days, not hours. and Marsha writes : Also, what about the Silverlister who put some paramecia under a microscope and watched them pop as CS touched them? They weren`t just disabled! and James writes : > Hi Ivan, > > If silver does not result in the rupture of the cell wall, how do the endotoxins get out to cause the Jarish-Herxheimer reaction? Well folks, I must confess to being too simplistic and general in my remarks, and you are all correct in your criticism of the result! Before addressing your points, (in mitigation ;-\ ) I should say this, interfering with the ability of a microbe to reproduce, stopping the ability to generate energy, or causing the rupture of the cell wall amounts to the same thing ... namely, the death and elimination of the microbe in about the same time frame. The success of a microbe can be measured by its ability to overwhelm, evade, or in some manner render the immune system defences inadequate, in other words, the ability to infect the host. It does so only as long as it causes cell division to perpetuate. To the Janish-Herheimer reaction (J-HR). This reaction, from what I have read, occurs upon the release of endotoxins (toxins held inside the cell) for some reason (discussed later), and is caused either by the action of the toxins themselves or the action of the immune system in neutralising them and cleaning them up. Again, from what I have read, endotoxins are held in or near the cell wall as a defence against invasion, and a compromise in the cell wall can cause them to be released into the extracellular fluid. Of course cell rupture would most likely have the same result, but it is not necessary for the cell to be ruptured for this to occur. Silver, no doubt, has different actions against different microbes. In some, it binds to the proteins or enzymes that enable the microbe to complete the energy production cycle, death being the inevitable outcome (unless the silver is chemically removed, where upon the microbe regains the ability to 'breath'). Other reported methods of action include disruption of the cell wall and penetration of the cell and binding with the microbe's DNA. Paramecia don't have a cell wall, only a cell membrane, and expend much energy in pumping water from themselves, which, while the membrane is less permeable to water than most, it still cannot keep from entering the cell under osmotic pressure. To disable this pump directly or in any other way render it inoperable will cause the water pressure in the cell to increase until the cell pops. If the silver causes a direct breach in the cell membrane or not doesn't much matter, they are going to pop. What remains after all this mayhem is a clean up job for the immune system, and it is mostly this that we experience as the 'flu like' symptoms of die off or Herx. Ivan. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: [email protected] -or- [email protected] with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: [email protected] Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour <[email protected]>
