In a message dated 6/16/00 9:49:04 AM EST, [email protected] writes: << Ivan had suggested using H2O2 to reduce the size of silver "clumps" as a purifying effect of poor product and the discussion of silver being a catalyst sparked an idea in my mind, as we were at the time looking for a simple home test. Give the whole list credit if you wish! I later suggested the "baggy" test, after determining it was qualitative, not quantitative and easily upset by dirty glassware! I expect the time of formation rate and density of bubbles/sq. in. are good indicators of particle size! You can note on a dime that it is a very slow process vs. the rapidity with silver "sludge" - clearly a surface area dependency! Finer particles = faster bubble formation and with more particles there will be more bubble sites/sq. in.! It is quite clear to me, that if no bubbles are formed with an ionic form of Cs (I employ all measures to avoid the formation of crystals) yet they are formed with a obviously poor running setup where a dense cloud is allowed to form and stringers start (an indication of growth of crystals) then it is a valid test to detect elemental silver. I would expect in the HVAC arc sintering process that atoms or larger particles are formed and thus the high bubble rate I found!
Fred: If larger silver particles are the cause for the catalytic reduction of H2O2 (which, according to you, are prima face evidence of a poor brew), how do you explain that HVAC CS remains clear and no CS drops out of suspension over extended periods of time (probably never as far as I can tell). From all the discussion on the 'list' with regard to CS color and particle size, it seems pretty clear that the consensus opinion (Are YOU going to criticize me for relying on consensus opinion?) was that a clear sol indicates acceptably small silver particles. So you can't have it both ways; which statement is wrong and which is correct? As further verification, of the effect, you can take "ionic" Cs and let it evaporate on a glass surface, leaving a brown residue. I believe from chemistry that what is left must be of the metallic form, not ionic, a deposit of fine crystals. It foams rapidly when H2O2 is placed on it, indicating a high surface to mass area! Fred: Let me see if I've got this straight: You just made up a brew of silver IONS from your LVDC process. There are no anions present, mind you, just silver cations, but THAT doesn't seem to bother anyone on this list but me. Then you evaporate all the water and magically ALL the ionic silver turns into metallic silver. Question: Just WHAT exactly provided all the electrons to turn ionic silver into metallic silver? Seems to me, such are reaction (if, in fact, it DID occur) would produce a helluva lot of heat, or would be so rapid as to explode. Any sign of a rise in temperature, or explosion, Fred? Your turn, Roger -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: [email protected] -or- [email protected] with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: [email protected] Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour <[email protected]>
